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    Written by Dagny Salas

    Dagny Salas was web editor at Voice of San Diego from 2010 to 2013. She was an investigative fellow at VOSD from 2009 to 2010.

    40 comments
    uaplumber
    uaplumber subscribermember

    The raising of taxes should be a hard sell. But, as long as the need is compelling (as the infrastructure is) and the effiort is set before the voters in a logical and meaningful manner it should pass. The new downtown (or elsewhere) stadium should be a no brainer (although it lost last time) in that the burden is placed on our "visitors" and not the general public. This is not really a tax but a surcharge for all that San Diego offers (which is how it is done in many other large cities) to keep it rolling along. I hope both might pass and as long as the economy and employment stays strong the chances are good.  I will vote yes on both as long as they are clearly set forth, logical, well planned, reasonable and no shenanigans are attached.

    uaplumber
    uaplumber subscribermember

    I think you are completely wrong in the title when you say "disproportionally high".  It is in line with other REAL city areas and below most top 10 [population centers in the US. We have "sunshine dollars" here and that really does make us attractive!  Those that might chooser to leave will inherit a whole new and more costly set of problems beyond pay rates and benefits. No snow, rain, dust storms, and a talented/educated work force keeps us in good stead no matter the challenges. Plus the innovation from the local universities and biotech start-ups and electronic and military opportunity companies makes us the best place to have a development company or innovative manufacturing. The owners and managers also get the perk of living HERE. Can't top that at any price!

    Alan Campbell
    Alan Campbell subscribermember

    City people often don’t know what is required to deal with animals.My family and I took the trouble to go to a fois gras farm in France to judge for ourselves the gavage (force-feeding) of the ducks to make fois gras. As someone who grew up with animals in a rural area, I must tell you that the gavage is nothing to the ducks. They spend the day grazing on green grass and then are herded into a barn for the once-a-day gavage. It takes maybe 15 seconds (and clearly causes no pain—the farmer really wants to keep the ducks happy), after which the duck simply shakes his head and walks out. Animals object to being forced to do all kinds of things. Beef cattle don’t want to be herded into a corral. I raised sheep for a 4-H project, and I can assure you that the sheep don’t like to be sheared.So will you foreswear all wool products?

    Fred Schnaubelt
    Fred Schnaubelt subscriber

    Let’s face it, the NFL is the greatest welfare con game in history.The team owners and players are the greatest Welfare Kings of all time. “New Stadiums” add a minimum of $100 million to the financial statements of the team owners and players can only be paid multi-million dollar salaries because the fair market rents of stadiums are waived. Let’s look at the fabulous deal for the public from Petco Park, a joint venture between the public sector and private sector, hand in hand --- or hand in pockets.The Padres pay about $1.5 million of annual costs and the city pays about $14.5 million.The so-called “trillion” dollars of surrounding development is not due to Petco being a catalyst but rather because the land around it was rezoned from industrial to high-rise residential with water and ocean views.

    Craig S. Maxwell
    Craig S. Maxwell subscriber

    It's nice to read common sense coming from a politician. Thank you Ms. Alissio. California's arbitrary and utterly ineffectual carbon emission mandates and the policy craziness that's followed in their wake--things like, trolley lines, and bike/walking paths amidst vast urban sprawl, and the industrialization of our last remaining open spaces as millions of acres are bulldozed, buried and wired under massive solar and wind "farms"--are so plainly, foolishly and hideously wrong that it's hard to believe they're really happening.

    The Cleveland National Forest Foundation's lawsuit is a farce. It's refreshing to see elected officials who're willing to fight (back) for what's right

    Craig S. Maxwell
    Craig S. Maxwell subscriber

    It's nice to read common sense coming from a politician. Thank you Ms. Alissio. California's arbitrary and utterly ineffectual carbon emission mandates and the policy craziness that's followed in their wake--things like, trolley lines, and bike/walking paths amidst vast urban sprawl, and the industrialization of our last remaining open spaces as millions of acres are bulldozed, buried and wired under massive solar and wind "farms"--are so plainly, foolishly and hideously wrong that it's hard to believe they're really happening.

    The Cleveland National Forest Foundation's lawsuit is a farce. It's refreshing to see elected officials who're willing to fight (back) for what's right

    Walter Chambers
    Walter Chambers subscribermember

    As I have feared, since we screwed up our land use with sprawl, we are now on the road to screwing up our transportation policy by trying to service all that sprawl. Sprawl is unsustainable economically, socially, and environmentally. Transportation trying to service sprawl is even less sustainable. It't a rabbit hole we should not go down.

    I'm sure Ms Alessio's constituents would like a lot of things, but breaking the law and wasting taxpayers money to trying to override the law is not OK. 

    christine mann
    christine mann subscriber

    I suggest everyone start studying this organizations. The San Diego Foundation...small local non-profit that no one has ever heard of somehow has 662 million dollars to throw some weight around. Look at their "investments". Millions and millions in offshore real estate developments.


    Look who they are giving money to. Non profs like Walk San Diego who is promoting this. 80 grand last year alone...that's a lot of cash to advocate for a bike lane. Look at the Board of directors of these non-profits. You will find a lot of not so nice developers. aka this is all a ruse to trigger higher densities.


    But seriously look at the money. Who is giving a small local non-prof 54 million dollars a year? and expecting nothing in return? http://www.sdfoundation.org/AboutUs/FinancialsInvestments/FinancialStatementsDocuments.aspx

    christine mann
    christine mann subscriber

    Heres a question...why is that this city which does not have a penny to fix a pothole have millions for this bike lane? One has to wonder.


    I suspect it has to do w/ SB 375 which will eliminate CEQA aka give developers free reign on Hillcrest if projects meet certain "sustainability" requirements. I am guessing a dedicated bike lane is one of them. because the groups pushing this Walk San Diego, Move San Diego and CirculateSD are all funded by the San Diego Foundation aka ICLEI aka Agenda 21 which works to create stack and pack housing in cities. Look at the board of directors of Circulate SD...Stephen Haase...the guy who is developing Mission Valley. Aka I think there is more than meets the eye here.

    Greg Chick
    Greg Chick subscriber

    I found posting here difficult, I now can.

    I too get tired of the Cross controversy, seems the tribal theme of "My God is better than your God" is alive and well.  I thought Darwin said we have evolved? I find too many people just plain barbaric.    Just saw Paul McCartney last night, he sand Let it be, and Live & let die.  

    HalSlater
    HalSlater subscriber

    What is "malformed content"?

    Greg Chick
    Greg Chick subscriber

    I was born and raised in So Ca., I am a "Left coaster" I am as default a "green Person" on and on... I have been to DC and used the Metro transit.  All the ca. phobic issues of graffiti and losing ones identity is a shame because mass transit is smart and cheaper.  As an educated and experienced commuter I can assure you that traffic jams suck.   I am not in agreement with my home (So. Ca.) ignorance and actually stupidity in resistance to mass transit.   NIMBY, my ass, hell in a well developed urban area, having a stop next door would be a plus and cool & groovy.    Urban denial is what San Diego has, and if one does not like urban living, move to urban sprawl away from the coastline.  Actually if you want a clean green answer, I say birth control.  Instead of NIMBY, I am DINK, (Dual Income, No Kids).  That is how I afford to pay for my cars, ins., tires, gas, repairs, personalized Lic. plates, auto detailing, break jobs, registration, parking, parking tix, wasted down time getting car fixed, garage space, I could go on and on...

    Gernot
    Gernot subscriber

    Re Carl Demaio's comment yes, send them back via their country's Embassy or consulate and bill them for the expenses the US taxpayer occurred.

    We also should bill Mexico for allowing them to cross their country and come to the USA.

    William Weeks
    William Weeks subscribermember

    I am unable to comment on any article except this one.  Please help.

    wobbly2014
    wobbly2014 subscriber

    Better be careful with the re-zone idea....in Portland Oregon they rezoned areas near proposed commuter train stations to the highest urban level. They began construction of the rail line and then decided to not build some of the stations...but the new zoning remained in place. Now single family neighborhoods  have 3 story tall, six unit apartment buildings sitting on 6000 sq ft lots with zero setbacks (just like downtown city center) right next to two story craftsman bungalos built in 1920. But no station within half a mile.

    Barry Pollard
    Barry Pollard subscriber

    Very good article articulated by an authentic man that is working to improve the community and safe some of our youth. He is very hands on and walks the streets anytime he feels a need to do so. day or night, talking to the kids..

    Wish all organizations were as dedicated as he and "CAST".

    Stay strong and keep up the good work!

    DDunn
    DDunn subscriber

    So, what happened to the comment section of your Education articles/as well as a recent posted (then gone) comment?

    DDunn

    Will Dawson
    Will Dawson subscriber

    Porters comments seem to be a reflection of Steven Erie's " Paradise Plundered" and mike Davis' "Under the Perfect Sun" If you are well

    off and on the inside San Diego is a great place, but if you are not the continuing choke hold of rising costs and deteriorating services will eventually force thousands of citizens and many businesses to leave for areas where they will be better served and Lower taxed and regulated.

    The " City Boosters" have and still control what happens here and reap millions in benefits from taxpayers and politicians. The John Moores promise "If you build it, I will pay for it" is just one of the many ways this City continues to be taken advantage of by the money and power brokers.

    Voters stay away in droves and then complain about the decline of streets, Police, Libraries, Fire Service, Parks and schools, as if they are not aware of the connection.

    Welcome to San Diego, " The World's Largest Small Town"

    " We have met the enemy and he is us"(Walt Kelly"

    The sun still shines but the costs are steep

    Will Dawson

    San Diego 92111

    Since 1945

    uaplumber
    uaplumber

    One can see that the religious intolerance espoused by several of the commentators and the blatant "who cares" statement shows that bigots still abound both in La Jolla and the readership of The Voice. Does "their" GOD need a cross or he/she will get mad and send us all to hell (which may or may not exist)? I am amazed at the lengths that some will go to show what "good" Christians they are while at the same time showing no resemblance to Jesus or his supposed teachings at all. This cross has been a lightning rod for emotional and non reasoning incantations for so long that DeMaio now seems to relish in rehashing the knee jerk reasons for the controversy thus stirring up misguided passions to prove a non point in his selection of misstatements to garner a prominent position in the upcoming election. Shame on him and any who support this nonsense and I hope that the Supreme Court puts an end to this controversy and lets the memorial to veterans stand but allows for the removal of the "religious" symbol which adds nothing to the respect due to those who served and died in defense of our country.

    DeMaio needs to go and so does this and any other "religious symbol" on public government property as required in the US Constitution under the establishment clause. Lets not be persuaded by those who claim to "know" that Christianity is the only true way and that without such symbols as the cross and 10 commandments, etc., that we shall all cease to exist as free people and free thinkers. Heading into a bright and prosperous future demands that we , as a group, cast off the shackles of the past and prepare a new generation to lead us with honesty and integrity and stop the demagoguery as touted by DeMaio. Religions (all, from the Greeks multitude of choices to present day Christianity, Islam, Budism, Jewish, etc.) from time immemorial have done humanity a disservice and need to be classed as artifacts from which knowledge should be gleaned but taken in context as delusional guilt response evoking meant to keep the masses under control and in the "mysterious" dark when facing both turmoil in life the ultimate end for all in death. The cross atop the mountain will do nothing to improve ones life now or afterlife (if there is one, which I doubt) and should be done away with in the name of freedom for ALL!

    Spicy Ming
    Spicy Ming

    I wish the chargers and spanos family would leave town. I believe money is better spent on supporting our college teams. Go San Diego State, Go USD, Go UCSD. Teams that would truly appreciate a little financial love.

    Richard Ross
    Richard Ross

    It's getting to be a real (pardon my French) P.I.A to leave a comment in the media these days. They want either your name or web name plus a password. When I was growing up I got a cake of Ivory soap inmy mouth if I said the word "damn." Now days I hear young women using four letter words all around the city.

    Richard Ross
    Richard Ross subscribermember

    It's getting to be a real (pardon my French) P.I.A to leave a comment in the media these days. They want either your name or web name plus a password. When I was growing up I got a cake of Ivory soap inmy mouth if I said the word "damn." Now days I hear young women using four letter words all around the city.

    Chip Cogswelle
    Chip Cogswelle

    I'm trying to post a comment, and have looked at the play nice rules, but my comment post doesn't work on the article--yet this post page works! NEVER MIND. It now seems to work.

    Chip Cogswelle
    Chip Cogswelle subscriber

    I'm trying to post a comment, and have looked at the play nice rules, but my comment post doesn't work on the article--yet this post page works! NEVER MIND. It now seems to work.

    Don Wood
    Don Wood

    Fine. I read the guidelines and agree with them, now how do I go back to the article I wanted to comment on? Your system doesn't appear to allow that.

    Don Wood
    Don Wood subscriber

    Fine. I read the guidelines and agree with them, now how do I go back to the article I wanted to comment on? Your system doesn't appear to allow that.

    Chris Brewster
    Chris Brewster subscribermember

    How about no profanity? That should only be permitted in articles like Ms. Libby's profile today of Jim Jones. (Kidding, it should not be allowed in articles either.)

    christine mann
    christine mann subscriber

    @wobbly2014  NOW you are getting it! that's the plan! This is about rezoning. Look at the people and organizations behind it. the "non-profits" are all run by developers like Stephen Haase from Sudberry properties.

    Catherine Green
    Catherine Green moderator memberadministrator

    @DDunn  Hi D, not sure what you mean - there was never a comment section on the Education narrative page (http://voiceofsandiego.org/category/education/) but all the comments on Education stories are still there! And I don't see a flagged comment from you on the admin side - did one of yours disappear?

    Will Dawson
    Will Dawson subscriber

    Amen to that. I am a football fan, but I will not approve or support another billion dollar give away. The Spanos can take the Chargers to any city that wants to hand them a

    $ 1,500,000,000,00 check from taxpayers. We have Petco to show how locals get totally skewed.

    Dagny Salas
    Dagny Salas

    Hi Don, Does hitting the back button on your browser work? If you came from the article you wanted to comment on, that should do the trick. Let me know, thanks.

    Richard Ross
    Richard Ross subscribermember

    I agree with hiscomment

    Dagny Salas
    Dagny Salas memberadministrator

    Hi Don, Does hitting the back button on your browser work? If you came from the article you wanted to comment on, that should do the trick. Let me know, thanks.

    Dagny Salas
    Dagny Salas memberadministrator

    Hi Chris, Thanks for your thoughts on this.

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