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A Million Dollar Mansion

Published: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:18 PM PDT



I usually let some smarter people talk real estate on this site. But I came across this little house the other day and I can't imagine there's a better illustration anywhere of how truly unsound this part of our economy is.

Let's start with the basic facts. It's a tiny house. It's 840 square feet. It has two bedrooms and one bathroom. It's on the corner of Santa Cruz and Santa Barbara in Ocean Beach, which is right at the top of a hill -- a great spot in an amazing neighborhood.

But it's got one of those roofs that looks like it is made of cigarette ashes. And while this guy says it has an "ocean" view. That's a bit of a stretch. You can walk out to the middle of the street, jump and see the ocean. And I suppose you could put a second story on the house and see even further.

But it's a somewhat grungy, mediocre little house. I mean, 840 square feet is not that much.

It's listed for sale at a price range of $925,000-$975,000.

That just blows my mind. I suppose that the owners could just be hoping to trip up a perspective buyer. They could be trying to persuade someone to low-ball them and offer a price that's much lower than $975,000 but probably still higher than what its worth.

But, if that's true, what a joke.

Normally, I'd just roll my eyes and walk away.

But wifey and I are probably going to have to move sometime soon. And we've been keeping our eyes on the rental market. I came across a listing the other day in the neighborhood that accepted dogs and seemed a little small.

And it dawned on me: It's the same house.

Yep, as they are trying to sell it, the owners of this place are trying to rent it out:

Month to month lease (this house is on the market).


And how much do they want to rent it out for?

$2,100 a month.

Now, if anything, that's a little expensive. Remember, it's a tiny two bedroom. Sure it's on top of a hill and a hair-raising skateboard ride down to beach. But looking at the market around there, you can find more room for that price. And add in the fact that they're trying to sell it so they plan to kick you out as soon as they can, and it's not cheap at all.

So shake your head and understand this for a second: They are trying to sell a house for more than $925,000 that you can rent for $2,100 a month.

So I got out my calculator. Let's pretend someone negotiated to buy the place at $950,000. Let's pretend that this magical mystery buyer had 20 percent of that -- $190,000 -- in his checking account just waiting to be invested in the San Diego housing market.

Let's pretend that people actually still put money down on houses (last year at least 67 percent of them didn't).

And finally, let's pretend that someone with that much cash and that much credit is willing to live in a mediocre little place with one bathroom and an ugly yard.

Check my arithmetic, but by my calculations, the magical mystery buyer would have to get a loan for $760,000.

Let's assume he got a 30-year fixed rate mortgage (and, I'm sorry, I have to use that in the example. Would you really dare do any "exotic" loans with everything that's happened these days?).

OK, let's say the magical mystery buyer got a loan for 6.75 percent a year.

That produces a monthly payment of $4,929 a month. If I remember right, property taxes would be about $9,500 a year on this property. So that, if you spread it over the entire year, would up your payment to $5,720.

Finally, let's say for insurance and maintenance, you have to pay $280 a month.

That makes it an even $6,000 a month.

Is there anyone in their right mind who would invest their $190,000 in savings and then spend $6,000 a month to live in a place that they could rent for $2,100 a month???

I'm serious. If there is someone, send me a note, I know just the place. I'd come along and carry all your papers just to watch it all happen.

Now, let's think about something else. There are people who, unlike me, could spend $190,000 and $6,000 a month on housing costs. But would they live in a tiny little house like this?

I mean, there used to be a rule that you only spent 30 percent of your income on housing expenses. But let's assume that's a non-operative aphorism. Let's pretend the new rule is you should spend no more than 50 percent of your income on housing. To be able to purchase this house, then, you'd have to earn $12,000 a month. I just don't see how someone who's making about $150,000 a year and has $190,000 burning a hole in their pocket wants to live in this place. Or, let's clarify, I don't see how someone who's smart enough to earn $150,000 a year would decide that he should dump all his savings and spend $6,000 a month to live in a place he could rent for $2,100.

It makes sense, I suppose, that a house would be more expensive to purchase then rent. It's nice to own a home -- you can punch holes in the wall and nobody can make you move (unless you don't pay).

But the discrepancy between the rental price and the purchase price seems does not seem like one on which you'd want to bet your savings.

-- SCOTT LEWIS




15 Comments so far on this story...

The fact is this litle house would not sell anywhere near the price they want. In fact, if they cut the price in HALF they might have problems selling the house. Real estate is cyclical, and the last time SD had a bad down market was 1989-94,95,96. That was 11-18 years ago. Most real estate agents/brokers working today have NEVER been in a down market. As for the rental cost/home value, if this hosue were sold as an investment, based on the income of $2100/month, using a capitalization rate of 10%-it would be worth about 215K.

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
June 21, 2007 7:24 am

Asking price probably better reflects the land value than the house value.

Posted by MtGoat | reply to this comment
June 21, 2007 8:51 am

With my measly $250,000 annual income, I rent a 3 bdrm Kensington spanish down the street from Colonel (Jerry) Sanders for $1995/mo. There is a tear- down around the corner for $675K (8 offers pending)and 2 others listed over $1.5 mil. Yes my place is a crap-hole, but it is a crap-hole in a million dollar neighborhood. $2,100 for a crackerbox in OB? Someone is definitely smoking crack if they fall prey to home-owneritis and buy this OB disaster. Call me crazy for renting, but I'll take my time before buying another property. The market is still in a downward spiral. "03" pricing is right around the corner. PorkMan

Posted by PorkmanDelardo | reply to this comment
June 21, 2007 8:59 am

Billy Bob, you know as much about houses as you do about what makes a good city attorney. Give your keyboard a rest, will you? The house will probably sell in this market for about 825K, because of the land and because of the current market. Scott is absolutely right - only an idiot would buy it as an investment. As far as renting instead of owning, the market may still be coming down enough to justify renting and waiting, and if it was me I'd try to rent and wait, but people have different motivations, so it will likely sell for what most would consider to be a ridiculously high price. Its 1992-93 all over again. Or is it?

Posted by Can't help yourself? | reply to this comment
June 21, 2007 9:33 am

That is a wonderful spot to live. I grew up in that area. These prices force many who grew up there must move elsewhere to obtain reasonable mortgages (I'm only a city worker). It's too bad that a formally strong family area is now unobtainable for most young families. I tell you though, if you go up a story and add a west facing porch you would see as wonderful an ocean view as anywhere (not to mention north to PB and La Jolla. Also, south to see the Coronado Islands). There is a reason for the price tag even if it seems wrong.

Posted by Joe | reply to this comment
June 21, 2007 12:45 pm

Right on dude! You forgot to mention one other item....our airport authority guys want to expand the airport. More runways, mean more plans, mean more pollution and noise. This area should be suffering severe housing price slashes since it is becoming more and more undesirable to live under the flight paths. Unless you have already lost your hearing :-)))

Posted by Norman | reply to this comment
June 21, 2007 8:03 pm

I smell a property owner trying to cope with an adjustable rate mortgage. They've got to sell or get that rent to make their payments!

Posted by Steve K | reply to this comment
June 21, 2007 10:27 pm

Don't put that calculator away yet. You managed to forget to factor in the foundation of American middle class: mortgage interest deduction on the front-loaded interest (plus points, moving costs, yadada) that this country was built on. And that's before you take out a second or a HELOC. It's the debt that makes you rich, you see. (You probably think we can't afford the war in Iraq, I mean our defense, too. We'll pay for it with the taxes we don't collect on homeowner expense! That's why there are no potholes in San Diego, because they collect too much money in property tax. It's economics, so plain, so simple.)

Posted by Rex | reply to this comment
June 22, 2007 12:31 am

As noted by others - its price seems to reflect its value as a "tear down" though the lot on googlemaps looks awfully small. What someone is trying to convince a buyer of is to buy the lot, the house is sorta an inconvenient inciddental, and then try to go through the process for a coastal development permit and tear down and rebuild. Essentially what you are doing is renting it out while moving through that process.

Posted by Erik | reply to this comment
June 22, 2007 12:47 am

Can't help yourself? is another arm chair real estate expert that has no clue wich way UP is. This house, for land value, has NO WHERE near the value of 925-975K it is listed for, it would not even fetch 500K for land value. Tell me Mr. Real Estate, when was the last time you saw a small (5-6K sq/ft), not on the beach, LOT in San Diego sell for 825K...please...anot knwo it all thatknows nothing.

Posted by Billy | reply to this comment
June 22, 2007 8:46 pm

Maybe I can hire Tom Story and we can get a variance for a highrise there!

Posted by Steve K | reply to this comment
June 22, 2007 11:28 pm

Or should I say BBH? I said that the house will well for $825K, and it will. When it does, you can post an apology. I accept it in advance. Warm regards.

Posted by Billy, Billy, Billy . . . | reply to this comment
June 23, 2007 12:35 am

Scott, You'd make a good "value invetor". Warren Buffet and Benjamin Graham would be proud.

Posted by John C | reply to this comment
June 26, 2007 12:40 pm

I can see why your blog won top honors from the Society of Professional Journalists this month. Reading your blog is like coming to your house with a lively crowd and talking all night. It's also fun that so many of the guests are wearing masks.

Posted by Maura Larkins | reply to this comment
July 2, 2007 1:42 am

I guess Billy Bob Henry was right, Tri-Billy. It looks like you owe him an apology. Today, there is a story about the house being in foreclosure. I guess it didn't sell at all.

Posted by Bud | reply to this comment
September 4, 2007 9:19 am


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