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The Explanation

Published: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 5:41 PM PDT



Doug Myrland, the general manager of KPBS called to explain a few things about the demise of "Full Focus."

First, here's the station's press release here.

First things first: Myrland wanted it to be clear that KPBS was not losing money. Revenues for the station will actually be a bit higher this year than they were last year, he said.

Myrland and the station canceled "Full Focus," he said, because of two reasons: 1) too few people were watching it and 2) they couldn't afford to try to improve it so that television viewers would tune in.

"I don't want to give the impression that our finances were shrinking," Myrland said. "That's not the case. We are not looking at a declining financial picture. I don't want to plead poverty."

That said, the station did lay off 12 people -- three were part time and one was on contract. The show cost KPBS approximately $1 million a year to produce, Myrland said. Host Gloria Penner, executive producer Natalie Walsh and reporter Amita Sharma were spared and are going to do different jobs in the operation. Myrland said that Penner had told the station months ago that she wanted to leave "Full Focus" and spend more time on reporting assignments and Editor's Roundtable, the Friday morning radio show.

Myrland kept getting back to the fact that the station simply couldn't boost the audience for the show despite many attempts to improve its presentation. The audience during the first hour of the morning radio show "These Days" is two to three times larger than the half-hour television show, Myrland said.

"Full Focus" Producer Pat Finn estimated that 13,000 households watched the show, according to ratings.

Myrland said the low ratings were a mystery.

"We're creating a lot of hours of programming," he said. "So, on one level, we're creating a lot of content we're proud of. But if nobody is paying attention, why continue to do that? Why not try to find a way to create equally good content that people will appreciate?"

So does that mean they will just be creating new and different shows?

Not exactly, Myrland said. The station has no plans to launch anything new. He said the station would continue to work on projects like the forum on immigration it hosted several months ago.

Myrland said that Keith York, the director of television operations, would be given a budget to do new programming.

"But certainly not $1 million a year," he said.

Now, as for the weekend radio show "A Way with Words," Myrland said he was happy with the audience the show had.

He said, however, the station was spending $250,000 a year to maintain it and that was too much.

"That is way more expensive than an hour of local radio programming should cost," Myrland said.

So why did they start it in the first place? The point was to take it national, Myrland said. Many public radio shows that are known and enjoyed around the country originate at local stations. But National Public Radio wasn't interested in "A Way with Words" and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting refused to provide a grant for it.

So it's done.

"We can invest that money in our other radio programming and do a lot with it," Myrland said.

I brought up my point that they could have pleaded with "Full Focus" fans to make one last push to save the program.

He said invariably, when shown a menu of the programs they could support at the station, potential donors would skip over the television program.

"Nobody should think we didn't try to raise money for that program," he said.

So, it is the finances, at the same time it's not. The program was a quality one, but at the same time, too few people were watching. They plan on doing equally good content and attracting more people, but don't have any plans in the works for a replacement.

Sounds like they just needed a change. I hope an outlet will emerge for the kind of interviews and forums the show provided.

-- SCOTT LEWIS




21 Comments so far on this story...

Doug Myrland said: "We're creating a lot of hours of programming," he said. "So, on one level, we're creating a lot of content we're proud of. But if nobody is paying attention, why continue to do that? Why not try to find a way to create equally good content that people will appreciate?" // Are 13,000 people nobody? And even if 13,000 are nobody, is the value of the content worth less? No! As Myrland says, the content is worthy. So what to do? Well it seems like the donors helped make up his mind: "He said invariably, when shown a menu of the programs they could support at the station, potential donors would skip over the television program. "Nobody should think we didn't try to raise money for that program," he said." Full Focus got killed because of its content.

Posted by Christopher Hall | reply to this comment
August 1, 2007 9:24 am

Ummm...YouTube.

Posted by Jason | reply to this comment
August 1, 2007 10:15 am

This KPBS viewer turned on the Boob Tube tonight to watch Full Focus. I had to triple check me clock to see the time. It was 6:30pm. Where the hecks is me favorite public TV show? Know I know, down the pipes like a quick flush. I think it's another victory for the honest Abe's in this town. God, yes I said God forbid that we listen to informative dialogue that encourages public discussion and thought. That's too dangerous for the crooks holding onto the power in our city. So what do I say? I am taking off me "I support KPBS" license plate and no longer making me annual donation. KPBS, don't call me on your next fund drive cause I no longer watch your show!

Posted by Norman | reply to this comment
August 1, 2007 11:03 am

I listen to KPBS on the radio constantly - but I never watch Full Focus. To me, KPBS is nothing more than an NPR delivery vehicle, and I'd rather they stick to NPR and forget the local stuff (like their worthless traffic reports). Maybe without full focus they can cancel a pledge drive! Now that would be worth it.

Posted by Dave | reply to this comment
August 1, 2007 9:34 pm

For what it's worth (and I am a KPBS supporter), although I liked the show, I had two issues with 'Full Focus': First, its 6:30 time slot. At that time, a lot of people are still commuting home from work, running after-work errands, or they are distracted at home by things like dinner, the kids, phone calls, etc., etc. That is so in my case. Second, 30 minutes was really not long enough to be able to discuss important local issues in an in-depth manner. When I watched the show the other day, there were four guests (including Vlad Kogan) brought on to discuss four different topics. At best, that's six to seven minutes per topic -- not long enough. Maybe KPBS could resurrect 'Full Focus' as a once a week, hour long show, covering no more than two or three topics?

Posted by Robert E. Lee | reply to this comment
August 1, 2007 10:01 pm

Hey Norman, who do you think are giving the big donations to KPBS? It's the the establishment "crooks". Try to get a copy of their complete donor list. It's top secret and always been that way; don't look for exposes on that channel. Check out the name of their building: Copley.

Posted by Truthteller | reply to this comment
August 1, 2007 10:53 pm

It would be interesting to know the correlation of only 13,000 viewers and donors. Perhaps there is a high correlation between Full Focus viewers and those willing to support KPBS. Too bad they couldn't have saved at least the Friday night edition. That would have been an opportunity to condense and build viewers for the Friday night show and build donations at the same time. In my view, Public broadcasting needed a little Public Participation before the cut. Then again, maybe I'm just out of focus.

Posted by J. Flynn | reply to this comment
August 1, 2007 11:53 pm

In their press release, Doug Myrland is quoted as saying: 'As a public service organization, KPBS is in the business of serving as diverse and broad an audience as possible. These decisions give KPBS the opportunity to determine the kinds of local programs that best meet the needs of the entire San Diego community.' KPBS has a fundamental problem lying at the heart of their operational model. It stems from the organizational reaction to their financial performance in years past. After operating at a loss, management determined that they were previously too idealistic. They streamlined their operation, became almost predatory in their fundraising and made the (apparently) conscious decision to sacrifice content for donations when the two were in conflict. The explanation, which you could hear repeated as a mantra in the halls, was and is: "We are a business."

Posted by Sid | reply to this comment
August 2, 2007 12:49 am

Some might claim that such an aggressive, financially savvy model is practical and necessary in today’s media climate. However, they don’t recognize two critical facts: (1) businesses serve a customer, to the exclusion of others and (2) many businesses are run poorly. Who is the customer now? KPBS follow the business model of getting the most donations for the least effort. In numbers, they make the reasonable calculation that it is more efficient to attract 10 members willing to donate $1,000 each (the illustrious Producer’s Club) rather than find 1,000 members willing to donate $10 each. However, when you make this bargain, those few donations have more power to decide content. Most of the people at KPBS seem dedicated and diligent in their work. However, in my opinion, management has forgotten whom they are supposed to serve. That is the fatal mistake that leads to (2).

Posted by Sid | reply to this comment
August 2, 2007 12:50 am

250K was too much to keep Away With Words going, eh? What does KPEEB use for accounting analysis? The show had an avid following for only a quarter mill per year---cheap for a radio yearly budget. I can understand cutting Full Focus; too short, bad time slot and not enough in-depth per segment made for a weak offering. They might have done better to reschedule it late-night in place of the PC gay show. As it is, KPEEB needs a rad overhaul, beginning with a more careful cost analysis and perhaps a deal with Pacifica for some of its content which is now effectively blocked by XLNC1. And nothing against Penner, but can't they find some new blood over there?

Posted by The Venerable Kamikaze | reply to this comment
August 2, 2007 1:01 am

Who is Joan Kroc and why does everyone keep mentioning her. Also, what Penner's connection in SD? I enjoyed the show btw.

Posted by New2KPBS | reply to this comment
August 2, 2007 1:16 am

Fool Focus was a good show. The name should revert to an analysis of KPBS management's style.

Posted by Alex | reply to this comment
August 2, 2007 1:16 am

New2KPBS: Joan Kroc was the wife of McDonalds founder Ray Kroc. After he died, she took it upon herself to donate millions of dollars of their personal wealth to many different causes in the San Diego area. As for Gloria Penner, she is a longtime journalist in S.D., who also hosts 'The Editors Roundtable' on KPBS Radio...

Posted by Robert E. Lee | reply to this comment
August 2, 2007 3:18 am

Thanks for the support, everybody. Martha and I are working nonstop to move "A Way with Words" to a new home, with the encouragement of KPBS management no less. You can keep up with our news at our new site, link

Posted by Grant Barrett | reply to this comment
August 2, 2007 3:37 am

I listen regularly to KPBS Radio where local programming is weak compared to National Public Radio. The weekly "Editors' Roundtable" is a silly club of self-important guys that was recently grudgingly expanded to include a few "outsiders" but is still essentially insufferable. Where did they get a license to opine on Iraq or Afghanistan? Where is representation from the San Diego Reader? I have lived here for 37 years and depend for my news on three dailies and one weekly newspaper -- including the U-T, mostly out of horrified fascination. I watch some television, but I certainly never watched "Full Focus" at the inhospitable hour of 6:30 p.m. And apparently its format was just as strategically scattered as the "Editors' Roundtable." Spare us! As for "A Way with Words," that was just painfully awful. Good riddance. Finally, see Truthteller's comments....

Posted by Frances O'Neill Zimmerman | reply to this comment
August 2, 2007 4:41 am

Oo, oo, oo, I hate to sound like a groupie, but 'Hello, Grant!' As you can tell, I love your show, and I am deeply disappointed they cancelled it. Now, I had a question about this expression I heard...just kidding!!! :)

Posted by Robert E. Lee | reply to this comment
August 2, 2007 5:06 am

Frances, the last I checked, the First Amendment gave the 'silly club of self-important guys' the right to opine on Iraq or Afghanistan! Do you ever opine on Iraq and Afghanistan??? I'll bet you do. Between your comments here and your regular, anti-former school superintendent sniping, is there anything you do like in life??? Some things are indeed painfully awful to listen to...if you catch my drift...

Posted by Robert | reply to this comment
August 2, 2007 5:21 am

Ha ha, Robert! I'm used to it. It always seems to be time for "Stump the Lexicographer" when I'm around.

Posted by Grant Barrett | reply to this comment
August 2, 2007 5:47 am

Robert -- I would defend to the death people's right to opine on any subject they wish, but with the amount of San Diego material begging discussion, information, revelation and honest opinion on KPBS "Editors' Roundtable," I'd say that Iraq and Afghanistan are, well, what they used to call "afghanistanism" in journalism schools. Allow me to translate for you: "afghanistanism" is talking (or writing) about subjects that are purposefully far afield from the civic mess in one's own backyard. As for enjoying life, it is a beach.

Posted by Frances O'Neill Zimmerman | reply to this comment
August 2, 2007 7:05 am

I would just echo what Grant said. Judging from the hundreds of emails I'm still digging through from across the country and around the world, "A Way with Words" has a very bright future indeed. You can keep up with the developments at our new website, link

Posted by Martha Barnette | reply to this comment
August 3, 2007 8:49 am

You only get the quality of any product that you demand. You settle for garbage, you get garbage. That applies to cars, newspapers, and PUBLIC, --repeat after me---PUBLIC broadcasting--Public means NOT PRIVATE, but dependent on taxpayer $$$$$.

Posted by Gregory Duch | reply to this comment
August 6, 2007 11:48 am


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