Confession is good for the soul. Sooner or later Sanders has to unburden himself of San Ysidro. I remember it well. I knew somebody on the sniper team. Sanders continued to withhold permission to shoot Huberty while people died. He wanted to be in front of the cameras when Huberty went down. The Department lied about what happened. Kollender lied to Ted Kopple the following night on Nightline. I still have the tape. Yes, if they believe in eternal justice, it’s time both Kollendar and Sanders fessed up, before they meet their maker. Nothing is more important than that.

Posted by Pat Flannery | reply to this comment
September 6, 2007 2:48 am

Wow. This guy is melting down faster than a popsicle on Labor Day. For him to bring up San Ysidro now is really sad.

Posted by Larry | reply to this comment
September 6, 2007 3:20 am

The Union reported in 1984: "SWAT commander Lt. Jerry Sanders, 34, was sipping a beer at the Salmon House in Marina Village, attending a birthday party [for a] fellow commander. About 25 minutes after the first call went out for SWAT help, Sanders was approached by deputy chief Norm Stamper, who just got off the phone. 'Have you been beeped yet?'" Days later, the Tribune reported that Sanders "is still trying to determine why his pager failed to work." Partying on the job while all hell breaks loose. Sounds familiar....

Posted by TY | reply to this comment
September 6, 2007 4:46 am

Well Mr. Flannery I would suggest you look in the mirror for the liar. I was there in 1984 and remember the incident well. The SWAT officer who fired the fatal bullet never had a chance to shoot Huberty until the shot he took. This was a tragic event and there were lessons and tactics to be learned, as in any major incident. However, continuing to point fingers and make false allegations 23 years after the fact is disgraceful. What have you done for your community today?

Posted by Hopeful | reply to this comment
September 6, 2007 7:07 am

Hopeful, Mr. Flannery writes the blog of San Diego. If it were not for him, I do believe we would truly miss very important information and facts. In my mind, he does something everyday. As for your comments that he has made false allegations on the McDonalds indicident, I cannot comment on that item. I can tell you, based on Sunroad, Mayor Sanders is lower than a snakes belly right now.

Posted by Norman | reply to this comment
September 6, 2007 8:37 am

Dear Hopeful: I concur with Norman. Mr. Flannery does more than his share of "public service." The blog of San Diego is invaluable. Please consider the events of a couple of days ago. The day after the brawl at PB. Mr. Faulconer had a day of council meetings; but, he still found the time to jump forward on this matter and show some leadership. Mr. Aguirre announced the intent to craft an ordinance regarding alcohol at our beaches. Where was mayor Sanders? Our mayor was in Scripps Ranch doing a photo op, at a newly opened public school. On the same day, I got a useful blog posting from Mr. Flannery. So, which of these four had the least productive day, on behalf of San Diegans? The guy who is supposed to be our leader.

Posted by Dale Peterson | reply to this comment
September 6, 2007 9:08 am

Hopeful: you know who I am, we do not know who you are. If you would like to resolve who is lying either disclose who you are on this site or email me at pat@blogofsandiego.c Let's do something for our community today by finding out who is telling the truth. Are you up to that? Or do you want to continue to hide behind a pen name? What is disgraceful is to continue to tell the lies that were told at the time. Were you part of that lying machine? In what capacity were you there?

Posted by Pat Flannery | reply to this comment
September 6, 2007 9:34 am

Wasn't Sanders also sitting on the beach in Hawaii in his thong drinking something? Just like drinking a beer on the beach in 1984 during the San Ysidro horror? It's all so very, very familiar and very, very unsettling.

Posted by Vince | reply to this comment
September 7, 2007 3:21 am

Mr. Flannery, all this because you don't like Sanders and hope to gain politically. How disgraceful to attempt to re-hash this incident 23 years after the facts when it only serves to open the emotional scars of those that lost loved ones. You obviously don't want to hear or believe the truth so there is no point in addressing it any further. I should apoligize for my last comment on my earlier post. I didn't realize you wrote the 'blog' and were such an important part of the fabric of our community. Heck, none of us would have even known about the incident in PB if it weren't for you. You're right up there with Walter Cronkite. You deserve a promotion to the National Enquirer.

Posted by Hopeful | reply to this comment
September 7, 2007 3:56 am

How is the Blog of San Diego valuable? It purports to be journalism but is really just Pat Flannery's nutty conspiracy theories that reveal he knows just enough to postulate nonsense but not enough to deal critically with complex issues. His blog is the best argument against "citizen journalism" one could ever have. Thankfully, it's only read by the negative, anti-establishment do-nothings like him who armchair QB but do nothing beyond rant at public comment session on any given Tuesday. I won't say they're all worthless, only because they're mildly amusing.

Posted by Blogofsandiegomyfoot | reply to this comment
September 7, 2007 6:53 am

I hope The Voice of San Diego webmaster is taking note of where these last two "comments" came from - probably from the Mayor's office. I think I recognize the style. Also the Voice has a policy of not accepting posts from the same source under different names. I hope they are enforcing it and that their policy extends to the Mayor's office.

Posted by Pat Flannery | reply to this comment
September 7, 2007 7:26 am

Pat, I don't work for Sanders or the city and I never have. I'm also not a republican, developer or lobbyist. I'm a San Diegan who appreciates credible journalism and despises the kind of rhetoric you spew. It is counter-productive, and your energy would be much better used seeking solutions instead of dreaming up theories about people who have the smarts to build successful companies. Most recently on your lousy blog you attacked the Evans for successfully "working the system." The Lodge, the Catamaran, the Bahia Belle -- all attractive, positive tourism assets and taxpaying enterprises. (And no, I don't work for, know or give a darn about the Evans.) Why all the hatred for people who achieve success? Is it just envy?

Posted by Blogofsandiegomyfoot | reply to this comment
September 7, 2007 8:44 am

Not from the Mayor's office: Examples of errors in Mr. Flannery's facts: Blog of 9/6/07 "...no fire station in all of University City..." Fire Station 35 is in North UC (shown on the maps on Flannery's blog); "...unsolicited reply..." from Sam Oates to Tracy Jarman is actually a response from Oates to Jarman, and the quotes attributed to Oates are Jarman's (also from 9/6/07, email is linked on the blog); and the whole reason for the proposed Regents Road Bridge is because of the Evans family, with no acknowledgement of the fact that the proposed bridge (or at least a connection through Rose Canyon of RR) has been in the UC Community plan since the 1950s.

Posted by Posted | reply to this comment
September 7, 2007 12:56 pm

So now we know all the people you are not. How about telling us who you are?

Posted by Pat Flannery | reply to this comment
September 9, 2007 3:53 am

Flannery, are you really that surprised that more than one person beleives you are a waste of space? Just about everyone in this city thinks so. You have been on this anti-Sanders crudade for years. Since he was a commander with the PD. Since then, he became an Assistant Chief of Police, THE Chief of Police, the head of the United Way in SD, the head of the Red Cross in SD and the mayor. Tell me who is listening to you? Get a life and quit posting as Norman.

Posted by Steve | reply to this comment
September 9, 2007 6:45 am

I am a native and current resident of the City of San Diego who likes it when facts are presented, and someone who gets frustrated when people turn to opinion pieces for facts. I am, like "blogofsandiegomyfoo not a republican, not a developer, not a lobbyist; nor do I work for the Evans family or any other such entity. I like opinion pieces, too, just so long as they don't purport to be news and unbiased facts.

Posted by Posted | reply to this comment
September 9, 2007 10:03 am

It is ironic that posters can bash the BlogofSanDiego on the Voice and remain anonymous. Hiding behind anonymity these guerrilla-posters then claim a higher reporting standard for the Voice, while condemning the Blog of San Diego that ALWAYS includes original documents or videos in its reports. The authenticity of Blog of San Diego’s supporting documents has never been challenged by anybody, nor need they be. Methinks the Blog of San Diego has been hitting the mark too many times for somebody’s liking. I expect the attacks to continue but think the Voice should ban anonymity to protect ITS credibility.

Posted by Pat Flannery | reply to this comment
September 10, 2007 1:54 am

I am not claiming any reporting standard for VOSD. I just thought I would point out some obvious factual errors in one of your blogs in response to other posts praising your 'facts'. When you can't get a basic fact correct, like the fact that there is indeed a fire station in University City, I question the validity of other statements from your website. I appreciate you posting a link to the email from Oates to Jarman, because that's how I was able to see you atributed Jarman's words to Oates.

Posted by Posted | reply to this comment
September 10, 2007 7:59 am

VOSD plays by the established rules of engagement for journalism. Their reporting isn't anonymous, just the comments. There's no accuracy standard for comments, and readers should recognize that and take the opinions for what they're worth. Why does my opinion need to have a name attached? What purpose would it serve? I am just a reader, not a well-known person, and I have no connection to any of this save for the fact that I live in SD and keep abreast of what's going on. In that vein, I checked out your blog, and it was obvious that you're a bitter person who seeks out sinister motives everywhere. You're not some hero. That's just my opinion, and that's what the comment section is for.

Posted by Blogofsandiegomyfoot | reply to this comment
September 10, 2007 8:39 am

Posted: the factual error is yours. Eastgate Mall is in zip code 92121. University City consists of zip code 92122 only. 92121 is Sorrento Valley and Sorrento Mesa, look at your Thomas Bros. Anything north of La Jolla Village Dr. is not UC. West of Genesse is 92037 and calls itself La Jolla, east of Genesee is Sorrento, not University City as you allege. As for the Oates email, the quoted text was not indented or marked with an >>> therefore was made by Oates. As for the Evans family, I went easy on them considering what I know.

Posted by Pat Flannery | reply to this comment
September 10, 2007 9:03 am

Some of you people are just sick, sad and woefully ignorant! I, too, know the SWAT officer who killed Huberty on that painfull day in San Ysidro. He took the shot of a lifetime, anyone's lifetime, AS SOON AS HE HAD A SHOT! Prior to that he and other officers were saving other citizens and trying to stop the killing with the means they had and the legal, ethical and moral restrictions in place at the time. Just what were YOU doing??! Most of you couldn't even have loaded the gun; none of you could have made that shot. Most of you couldn't have kept your wits about you in the panic of the crowd. Chief Sanders did all he was supposed to and was able to do. So did the cops on the scene. They didn't wait for orders from the Lieutenant; THEY TOOK ACTION on the spot. Whatdidyoudo?!

Posted by CudaCop | reply to this comment
September 10, 2007 9:37 am

Mr. Flannery, please see this website for a map of the University Community Plan area - link You may want to verify with the a member of the UCPG what their community is. And, to go back to the email, Oates' response is the first line "How about 27's getting into 35's district?" which is a response to Jarman's email, which is indeed highlighted with > around her name, indicating that is an email from her. And thanks to all the public safety officers of the community who do jobs many of us cannot and/or will not.

Posted by Posted | reply to this comment
September 10, 2007 12:01 pm

First link does not work - try this link

Posted by Posted | reply to this comment
September 10, 2007 2:11 pm

So huge areas of La Jolla west of Interstate 5 are now in University City? OK you win.

Posted by Pat Flannery | reply to this comment
September 11, 2007 1:59 am

Mr. Flannery, where did you apply for your job as the writer for the blog of all San Diego, a county of 3 million people? The truth is, you created a dot com address for your real estate business and then began spewing your propaganda laced hatred all over the net. A regular self appointed King, huh? Now you have your own forum on which to spew your half baked conspiracy theories, which should be enough for you. Leave this site be and go back where the mindless idiots who want to listen to what you have to say can log on.

Posted by Hopeful | reply to this comment
September 11, 2007 2:58 am

OK Fred, it's all yours.

Posted by Pat Flannery | reply to this comment
September 11, 2007 11:04 am

Here's the facts behind the cover-up: link

Posted by S.L. | reply to this comment
September 26, 2007 4:12 am

These are the so called "facts" behind your cover up? I suggest you read it again. We don't even need to get into Norm Stamper, who by the way outranked Sanders and could have easily overridden his orders. You could not have made a better argument for my previous statements. Thank you.

Posted by Hopeful | reply to this comment
September 26, 2007 9:51 am

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