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Landslide Liability

Published: Friday, October 5, 2007 5:24 PM PDT



You might have noticed I enjoy doing transcripts. They're easy and you guys seem to like them. Let me know if that's not the case.

I'm interested in this question about the city's legal liability in matters like the landslide in La Jolla. As you probably know, there's this popular impression spreading that City Attorney Mike Aguirre exposed the city to liability with his comments in the immediate aftermath of the incident.

I don't know. I think it'd be absurd for the city to have to, in effect, cover something that insurance companies won't. I'd like to find out how much the city's paid out in earth movement settlements with homeowners.

About Aguirre, I talked to one lawyer, an expert in municipal law, who didn't want to be named. He said he initially thought the city attorney had exposed the city more but then he made what I thought was a really good point: "Liability needs to be proven by facts."

He continued:

Even if a plaintiff wanted to introduce his statements as an admission by the city, I doubt it would be admitted. I have no doubt that his statements gave comfort to those who will sue the city, and at least will cost the city many dollars in attorneys' fees. His actions have been reckless, and certainly not those I would want of my attorney if I was facing potential liability. The thing to watch for is whether, without City Council approval, he tries to cut a deal with any plaintiff. That would not in the best interests of the city, but makes him look good.

Continuing with the same theme, Aguirre was on the Roger Hedgecock show yesterday. It was rather amusing as he apparently was racing to the scene of a major water main break on Ingraham Street near SeaWorld.

Hedgecock had some questions for the city attorney:

    Hedgecock: Do you think, based on any evidence you've seen in the last 24 hours since this slide up on Mount Soledad, that the city did anything wrong?


    Aguirre: Well, the one thing we did that was wrong has been, since this happened, not tell the truth about what we knew. For example, on the 19th of September, we wrote to the Soledad Mountain homeowners, our chief engineer, that there have been a series of water links on service connections from our main water line on your street and that we were hiring a geotechnical consultant to conduct a soil investigation in the area to determine the cause of the recent leaks. I don't believe that the city of San Diego has any liability for what happened but I think we do have a responsibility to make sure that whatever information we put out is accurate and information that people can rely upon.

    Was that inaccurate?


    Well, what I just read is accurate. What has been said by some, I think, has not been as consistent with that statement as I think it should have been.


    OK, what do you mean?


    Well, I mean, we wrote people on Sept. 19 telling them that there have been a series of water leaks on the connections from the main water line on Soledad Mountain Road where the cave-in took place. And other people have said "Oh no, there wasn't any water leaking over there." I think that is incorrect, one ...


    Who's saying that?

    Well, I don't want to get into personalities but let me just say that it's important that individuals who are speaking for the city, remember that; uh, I went through a complete review today; we have settled almost every single slide case that has been brought in the city of San Diego and the most important thing is to make sure we have insurance coverage. And when individuals make comments that might interfere with that that actually compromises the city's legal position. I have retained expert insurance legal counsel. We have gone back and are doing a very careful legal analysis of all the legal elements that are in play here in terms of any potential causes of action for dangerous conditions or for inverse condemnation and we need to make sure that the statements being made are either not made at all or are consistent with the city's best legal position.


    OK, I think I'm going to leave it there Mike because I could spend the rest of the afternoon telling you how actually opposed I am to what you just said. But I'm just going to leave it. Because it just needs to be discussed, and maybe this discussion itself is too open from the standpoint of my concern that those statements and others you have made like them are going to make settlement necessary and are going to subsidize these homeowners' loss through the taxpayer base of the rest of the community of the city of San Diego because when you talk settlement, you're not talking about insurance that's free. You're talking about insurance that we the taxpayers pay for.

    I think what you want to be careful of though is that if you have potential exposure, that you don't do something that negates your insurance coverage. And as I said to you before, we've handled numerous slide cases in the city of San Diego and all of them have been settled and the most important thing is to make sure we have the resources to deal with the problem. I will say this: If you live in the city of San Diego and your house is impacted in the way that occurred here where there's obviously going to be roads that have to be repaired, houses that are going to have to be repaired, money is going to have to be secured from the federal government for emergency purposes and the rest of it, I think that our primary focus has to be to make sure we have the resources to do the reconstruction. You're not going to leave all these houses abandoned on the side of the road and I think the most important thing is we address this in the most mature way possible recognizing what our legal interests are. I will tell you that what I'm telling you and what I'm doing is going to be the least expensive for the taxpayers and if people go out and try to pretend that facts are other than they are, that will be the most expensive. ...


So Aguirre is accusing city officials of trying to lie to residents about water leaks that were occurring in the area and he's promising that if you were affected in the landslide, your house is not going to be abandoned.

-- SCOTT LEWIS




28 Comments so far on this story...

What you've just reported is typical Aguirre double speak. First of all Aguirre had absolutely no business at the slide scene, and secondly he shouldn't have made any statements as to the proable cause of the slide without a having a competent Geological Expert conduct an extensive investigataion first. Please let me add to Mr. Agurries evaluation: Recently there have been several earthquakes off the coast of La Jolla, that possibly, maybe, could have, in all likelyhood, with a good chance of probability, may have or could have, in some way, on an outside chance, created a situation where ground could have moved in and around La Jolla, Coronado, Encinitas, Del Mar, San Clemente Island, Santa Catalina Island, and/or Mt Soledad, which may have or may not have caused the slide! Get my point!

Posted by Ralph | reply to this comment
October 5, 2007 4:44 pm

Although your column did not cover the entire Aguirre/Hedgecock exchange, the story regarding the John Monti incident holds great interest especially when Roger caught Mike in bald face lie. Listen carefully, Aguirre initially claims to know nothing about the incident but later says it was of high interest to him and others. I'm sure it was... Additionally, the police department's initial investigation lists Monti the VICTIM of Robbery... But somehow Aguirre's office charges him with several misdemeanor violations? What happened to the suspect's of robbery? This is real story, not his running around the city acting, albeit poorly, as the Mayor.

Posted by RD | reply to this comment
October 5, 2007 6:52 pm

I bet this whole thing started because of the homeowners over watering their lawns and plush yards. This cause the land to slip a little. The slip put too much pressure on the water lines and they began to leak. This caused the land to slip a little more. When the land moved it cause pipes to leak more until the ground could not hold any more water. Thus, the landslide. Aguirre will cost the taxpayers millions. The City will have to hire outside counsel to defend the City since the idiot city attorney has seen fit to put shoe in his mouth. I bet if Aguirre tried to defend the City, he would be recused by the court. Again

Posted by BBH fan | reply to this comment
October 5, 2007 6:54 pm

Nike has as much business as any other City official to be at the scene and all you yahoo's that say he does not are most likely gov welfare queens just trying to undermine Mike's crusade against your scams. Now, having said that, Mike should not make any more public comments as to liability, zero. He needs to take a wait and see what happened approach before talking liability or insurance. This mess is light year from being over, and we are just now at the first inning.

Posted by Billy! Bob!! Henry!!!bvopw | reply to this comment
October 5, 2007 9:10 pm

Guys, there's a war going on over at City Hall. There's no doubt the lawsuits are coming from the La Jollans, people probably sue our city if they get gum stuck on their shoes while walking city streets. All this focus on Aguirre is like the talk about Britney Spears on TV. The media is giving him attention and he's going to try and use it to show the lies and deception going on in City Hall. The election is coming up and things are a mess. You gotta admit it's better entertainment than watching football....and listening about the Chargers and Mark Fabiani's gooble de gook. Let's talk about the mayor. What's the mayor and his bodyguards doing in DC anyhow?

Posted by Norman | reply to this comment
October 6, 2007 4:37 am

All this talk of the City's insurance: I thought the City was self-insured. Does anybody know about this?

Posted by Hillcresttaxpayer | reply to this comment
October 6, 2007 5:24 am

Good transcript article, Scott. Keep them coming. Aguirre says that 'statements being made (by city officials) should be 'consistent with the City's best legal position.' Say what? The day before at the scene on live TV he all but admits the City caused the slide via leaking water pipes and said the City has a history of buying homes that have been impacted by landslides. Sounds to me Aguirre should go back to being a plaintiff's attorney. He simply is unable to properly represent the City's best interests. His behavior is, however, consistent with someone who wants to drive the City into bankruptcy.

Posted by Dick | reply to this comment
October 6, 2007 6:53 am

I just heard on KPBS that the first Soledad-slide lawsuit against the City has been filed by a La Jolla homeowner for $2.5 million...Thanks Mike! With Aguirre's track record in court, who wouldn't want to file a lawsuit against the city. It's practically a sure win!

Posted by Simple Guy | reply to this comment
October 6, 2007 7:59 am

Thank you Scott and Ralph for your statements! They are very true and I agree with them whole heartedly. I wonder how anybody that is an knowledgeable �EXPERT� on every field has to �umble himself at such a mundane job as a part time City Attorney when he could make many times more $$ as a world consultant in any field, except maybe law. Mikey uses what is called �creative avoidance�, that is when you don�t know how to do something your job requires you find many ways to AVOID doing your job. I think the old statement applies to AG: �PUT BRAIN IN GEAR BEFORE RUNNING MOUTH�.

Posted by gene | reply to this comment
October 6, 2007 9:29 am

Ralph, Point well made; and I love the embedded humor.

Posted by Mike L. | reply to this comment
October 6, 2007 9:46 am

Dick's last sentence cuts to the point of a lot of Aguirre's behavior.Isn't Aguirre buddies with Pat Shea, the well known bankruptcy attorney who wishes to be Mayor?By costing the city money and pushing it towards bankruptcy, doesn't Mike help out his buddy's possible campaign?Here's my view on Mike showing up at the scene.Yes, he has as much right as any other elected official.But he shouldn't claim to be in charge.That circumvents an already established chain of command.Circumventin the chain of command is simply dangerous for all responders.Is it true that Aguirre said, "Hey, watch this" to a cameraman before picking his fight with Jay?

Posted by JF | reply to this comment
October 6, 2007 11:04 am

Hey Dick, it really does not matter WHAT Mike said regarding the Cities liability-Mike CANNOT bind the City with liability based on his speculative statements, just like he cannot undue the pension scams on his own by HIS lone statements. Liability will be determined in a court of law, where evidence MUST be presented to show causation-and if there is no evidence showing City causation of the slide-then there is simply no liability-IRRESPECTI of what Mike (or Sanders, or Sainz or anyone else from the City) says. So get off the soap box. Still, I agree Mike should keep quiet so as to not stir the pot.

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
October 6, 2007 11:29 am

I am curious to know if any of these homeowners may have been in the process of a home remodel or landscape remodel. Where does that leave the contractor in the case of a destroyed home?

Posted by Marty | reply to this comment
October 6, 2007 1:04 pm

For Pete's sake, Mayor Sanders and Council President Scott Peters and Councilmember Kevin Faulconer were ALL in D.C. at a Chamber of Commerce shindig when Mount Soledad started slipping downhill. At least, thank you very much, Mike Aguirre was at work. What's the old saying about "showing up?" That's what Mike did -- show up. Personally, I appreciated hearing a few official words from somebody describing what was happening when it was happening, what agencies were present to help residents, and who would be coming out from the Mayor's office. It is a total fiction that Aguirre somehow has increased the City's liability for this mess: he did no such thing and it is slander to say otherwise. And now you're even taking Pat Shea's name in vain? Give the blame-game a rest.

Posted by Fed Up | reply to this comment
October 6, 2007 4:03 pm

OK, everyone who owns a home on Mt. Soledad, do this one thing -- Pull out your escrow papers and check the page about known hazards. Did you sign this paper? Well, good for the city and bad for you. You're screwed. If you don't have such a disclosure, then sue your real estate agent and the past owner. He/she's screwed.....

Posted by TY | reply to this comment
October 6, 2007 4:10 pm

Sorry JF, ther is no CHAIN OF COMMAND for Mike, he is an elected City Attorney, not a rank and file PD or FF, where there is a chain of sommand. That would be like YOU telling ME I coudl not voice an opinion becuase am not in the chain of command. Sorry, it does nto work that way. I ythink all you freelaoding gov workers think that San Diego has money growing on tees and that if there is not noough it is your RIGHT to go with hat in hand to taxpayers and scam more money. WRONG. The City has a bedget just like everyone else does, and we are NOT spending 99% of tha budget to finance 6 figure incomes and multi million dollar pensions to the connected and lucky few and get FF jobs.

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
October 6, 2007 6:22 pm

When a hone is destroyed, then the contract is voided, due to u impossibity to compelte. The homeowner would be liable for all work up to the point the disaster happened, even though they wouldnot benefit, but anything left to be done would be voided out.

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
October 7, 2007 5:58 pm

Scott, the time has come to recall Aguirre and for you to censure BBH. I can no longer abide by their hysterical rants. In BBH's case, until he learns to spell and write a legible sentence, he cannot offer any meaningful dialog to any issue or debate.

Posted by Chuck | reply to this comment
October 7, 2007 7:13 pm

Fed Up wrote on October 6, 2007 5:03 PM, in regards to suggestions that Aguirre has increased the City's liability over Soledad, "Give the blame-game a rest." An Aguirre supporter calling for an end to the "blame game"? Isn't that the height of irony!!! Don't forget, Mike Aguirre has accused the mayor, almost every city council member, and innumerable city staff members of corruption, and has yet to produce a shred of proof. He files countless lawsuits blaming everyone under the sun for just about any problem that he can find, and loses them all because of his incompetence combined with a lack of evidence. Mike Aguirre is the King of unjustified finger-pointing! Fed Up, why don't you give your advice to someone who could use it, your buddy Mad Mike?

Posted by Simple Guy | reply to this comment
October 7, 2007 7:19 pm

Hey BBH, you agree the "Mike should keep quiet so as to not stir the pot"? Ha ha ha ha ha! What a laugh! That's all he does. He stirs and stirs and never makes anything but trouble. File lawsuits, hire law firms, give raises, cost the City oddles of money, and never, ever, ever win a case. The man is a legal menance, and to boot he colludes with attorneys representing plaintiffs against the City (see today's article in the U-T about his proposal to Michael Conger). Unethical is his middle name, all to satisfy his megalomania.

Posted by Cynic | reply to this comment
October 7, 2007 9:53 pm

BBH, that's exactly my point.Aguirre is NOT in that chain of command.He's an advisor.(And not in the Vietnam style 'military advisor')For him to claim "I'm in charge" is a false statement and potentially dangerous.

Posted by JF | reply to this comment
October 8, 2007 5:38 am

Personally, I find it comforting that the Mr. Aguirre takes time from his frenetic schedule to not only read, but contribute, to this forum. Although the screen name "Billy Bob Henry" is somewhat obtuse...Speaking of obtuse, no need for others to trash our City Attorney, he does a fine job unassisted. It takes a special sort of legal brilliance for a lawyer (and politician) to make these statements in the same paragraph: We did not tell the truth...I don't believe the City of San Diego has any liability.

Posted by jad | reply to this comment
October 8, 2007 7:06 am

"Everyone should do their due diligence in regards to property they are purchasing. I remember when the first 7 homes slid into rose canyon; I lived in North West Clairemont that over looked Rose Canyon, We wondered at the time why anyone would buy a home there after the slide, we came up with the View was so good as to make the risks almost worth it. Well it has happened again although not as bad this time but this time it is supposedly the City’s Fault and not the builders for building on a piece of unstable real estate. Horse Pucky the Place has always been unstable and everyone knew it but because you are saying the city let water leaks go unfixed that the place succumbed to a land Slide – Horse Pucky!"

Posted by Donald Reno | reply to this comment
October 8, 2007 9:14 am

"Continued from above... What about the 18 inches of Rain we got in 2004 why did it not slide then? Well my Opinion is that this place should never have been developed but some greedy developer knowing that someone would buy them no matter what the risk he went ahead and built them and fast forward 46 years and Violla another Land Slide what a SHOCK: Again HORSE PUCKY. You bought where you bought – you took the Risk and Lost – Suck it up like a big boy and Pay the Piper Yourselfs… The Taxpayers of San Diego do not owe you One Red Cent! One San Diego Natives Opinion…"

Posted by Donald Reno | reply to this comment
October 8, 2007 9:21 am

Now I am convinced that BBH is not MA. That was the first time I read an objective comment under that hill billy moniker. Very impressive. I suspect the next few months will be interesting. Sometimes, San Diego reminds me of the movie "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil." Only, who's good, who's evil? Its more like shades of grey- or green- and some color that represents ego.

Posted by Omni-Potent | reply to this comment
October 8, 2007 1:12 pm

.....Censure from Chuck.......Obtuse from Jad and Hill Billy Moniker from Omni!!..... why all the hate???? I must admit, I did take the Billy Bob Henry handle because it IS a hill billy handle. The Beverly Hill Billies was one of my favorite TYV shows, but Censure?? Obtuse??, please! I do type fast with many errors, I don't have time to spell check. I have real work to do. Sorry.

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
October 8, 2007 7:45 pm

A PROCLAMATION: From now on Mike Aguirre is to be referred to as: "Master and Commander"

Posted by Fuzzy Bunny | reply to this comment
October 8, 2007 10:52 pm

Fuzzy Bunny wrote: "A PROCLAMATION: From now on Mike Aguirre is to be referred to as: 'Master and Commander.' " To that, I'd like to add that Mike should also be known as "The Decider Man."

Posted by CeeMac | reply to this comment
October 9, 2007 11:51 am


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