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The Preservation of (Excess) Benefits

By Donna Frye



Tuesday, Nov. 13, 2007 | I have been working since April 2007, to bring to light a little known pension problem that is brewing and will soon reach a boiling point. The problem is the Preservation of Benefits Plan, but most San Diego taxpayers have no idea that the city of San Diego and the San Diego City Employees' Retirement System (SDCERS) Board are attempting to fund a second retirement plan to pay current and future retirees excess retirement benefits. 

I first learned about this by accident during an April 16, 2007 City Council meeting. Item 202 on the docket was supposed to be an update from the SDCERS actuary on the 2006 actuarial valuation. No one from SDCERS showed up to present the information about how the unfunded liability was reduced by over $390 million because the SDCERS attorney advised them against it. 

Donna Frye

However, written information was provided that included a power point presentation showing a $22.8 million reduction in SDCERS pension liability due to “proper treatment of IRS benefit limitations.” 

I asked what happened to the $22.8 million liability and learned from questioning then- City Auditor/ CFO, Jay Goldstone, that the debt was transferred from SDCERS to the City of San Diego. Even though Goldstone said that there was $500,000 in the budget to make an annual payment on the debt incurred from proper treatment of IRS benefit limitations, neither the mayor nor his staff were forthcoming with all the information. (This, despite the fact that one of his senior staffers sits on the SDCERS board of administration and Goldstone has been briefed about it by SDCERS.) In fact, it took over four months for me to even receive a reply from Goldstone to my April memo about this issue.

So what’s the big deal? In simplest terms, the Preservation of Benefits Plan is a separate and second retirement plan that is intended to allow some city retirees to receive amounts over the maximum allowed by the IRS.  I say intended because to the best of my knowledge, SDCERS has not yet received approval for this approach from the IRS, even though they have applied for a Private Letter Ruling on this issue. 

The Internal Revenue Code (IRC) section 415 establishes annual allowable benefits that can be paid from a 401 (a) pension plan such as ours. The IRC places a cap on the highest amount of money that can be legally paid out of a retirement plan when a person retires. 

According to the SDCERS actuary, we have retirees whose retirement benefits exceed the amount that can be legally paid from the SDCERS’ 401 (a) retirement plan.

 

And despite Goldstone’s April 16, 2007 estimate of $500,000 to fund the city’s first annual payment for this second pension plan, a February 7, 2007 staff report from SDCERS Chief Financial Officer, Bob Wilson, states that SDCERS “staff has met with the chief fiscal staff of each of the three plan sponsors to inform them on the POB plans and funding arrangements for their fiscal year 2008 budget planning.” The memo requests “the City of San Diego to fund its Preservation of Benefits Plan in the amount of $639,962”  to pay for retirees who have exceeded or will exceed the IRS 415 limit during fiscal year 2007/2008. 

Goldstone never mentioned that memo or that amount. 

Plus, that amount does not include other retirees -- those who have already received benefits in excess of IRS limits that were paid for out of the SDCERS 401 (a) retirement plan, in violation of the IRC. Very soon, more money will be requested from the city by SDCERS, likely in the millions, to fund those excess benefits. Add to that the annual amount that will be requested by SDCERS in the future as more people retire and it boggles the mind.

Finally, after writing numerous memos and making repeated requests to the City Council urging action, Council President Scott Peters agreed to docket a discussion on this at the December 6 Rules Committee meeting. I am concerned, however, that this may not be soon enough.

So what are the next steps?

First, the City Council cannot wait until the December 6, Rules Committee meeting to discuss this. Instead, we must hold public hearings this month and require that the mayor, his staff and SDCERS staff appear to discuss this. The public has a right to know and be kept informed.

Second, the City Council must take an active role in working with the IRS to ensure compliance with the IRC.

Third, the costs of the Purchase of Service Credit and DROP programs must be made revenue neutral to the city. This may help to reduce the benefit amounts that exceed IRS limits.

Fourth, even though the Preservation of Benefits Plan was adopted by ordinance in March 2001, no money has ever been paid from it, nor has SDCERS requested the city do so until this year. There needs to be a legal determination made as to whether this second retirement plan is allowed by the City Charter or whether it requires a vote of the public before the City Treasurer makes any payments. 

Finally, the City Council must ensure that all this information is properly disclosed in the city’s financial reports and to the secondary markets.

Donna Frye represents District 6 on the San Diego City Council. Agree? Disagree? Send a letter to the editor.




27 Comments so far on this story...

Ms. Frye, you can't possibly be as unaware as you suggest you are. It seems to me Aguirre gave you this red herring to run with since his credibility is at an all time low. I hope you will do the honorable thing and repost when you quote have all the facts end quote.

Posted by You know better | reply to this comment
November 12, 2007 7:28 pm

It seems that Ms. Frye is merely asking to get answers to questions and the administration continues to obfuscate. Ms. Frye cannot wait "until she has all the facts," because the agencies have not been forthcoming with her. The financial experts should answer questions in language any intelligent layperson could understand. That's not too much to ask.

Posted by Ask questions | reply to this comment
November 12, 2007 10:52 pm

It seems that Ms. Frye is merely asking to get answers to questions and the administration continues to obfuscate. Ms. Frye cannot wait "until she has all the facts," because the agencies have not been forthcoming with her. The financial experts should answer questions in language any intelligent layperson could understand. That's not too much to ask.

Posted by Ask questions | reply to this comment
November 12, 2007 10:52 pm

Donna Frye has a nasty habit of asking the kinds of questions that the Mayor and Peters, and others on the Council should be asking, but don't. It happens all the time, especially when it comes to benefits for employees--and unspoken but always present--the Council and Mayor themselves. If this Council does not table this item for public discussion, then they all should be run out of town with feather and tar all over their bodies. Where is the honesty and morality at City Hall?

Posted by City Watcher | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 6:30 am

So Donna Frye is now Aguirre's ghost writer. At least that indicates that Aguirre knows he's lost all credibility. Donna, your comments clearly imply that the 'excess' benefits are illegal and have been hidden from the city. Yet, the excess benefit plan was publically approved by the City Council years ago and is a very common way and perfectly legal way for entities to pay additional benefits. This whole issue is a red herring designed to keep the City in chaos.

Posted by Dick | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 6:37 am

So what's the news here? That it's business as usual for the mayor and his staff of toads? Deny, delay, deceive. That's all Sanders can do. He's so far underwater he can't possibly make it back to the surface. And if anybody still believes that Goldstone is the honest guy he's been portrayed as, or that Bob Wilson is anything other than incompetent (remember he came from the auditor's staff), I have a large lot in southeast San Diego I'd like to sell ya.

Posted by Larry | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 6:49 am

Donna, Thank you for the hours of hard work you put into doing research, and for taking the time to talk to us so that we can understand the complexity of the issue at hand. Thank you for always taking a stand despite the constant criticism from those who attack you personally. I, and many others, appreciate your integrity and your diligence!

Posted by Judy | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 7:36 am

This hidden excess retirements, which will cost the taxpayers dearly just proves to me that I voted for the wrong mayor. I trusted Jerry Sanders to have an open and honest administration, he has been a huge disapointment. Next time he will not get my vote.

Posted by lee | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 8:25 am

Correspondents 1, 2 and 3: let's gather some wood, pillory Donna Frye and burn her at the stake for speaking out on complicated matters that the Sanders Administration (an oxymoron if ever there was one) would like to sweep out of sight. And if we can't accomplish that, let's just rote-blame City Attorney Mike Aguirre for anything that proves, once again, how duplicitous/incompet San Diego City government (still) is. Everyone else: Elections are coming. We need four new honest and capable City Council members and a new Mayor -- people without idealogical agendas like Steve Francis and Carl DeMaio -- but with brains, independent spirit and a clear sense of public service. Help Wanted: Brave Qualified Candidates, especially for Mayor.

Posted by Feeling Hopeful | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 9:31 am

So is DF running for Mayor again ? I find her questions tedious and arrogant.

Posted by Black Sabbath | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 10:08 am

The term "excess benefits" is a misnomer. The term is a name the IRS has applied to those funds that exceed their limitation of payments allowed under a defined benefit plan. The IRS has provided, under the same code, a means by which the limitation may be amended. It appears that the City is availing themselves of this portion of the code. THERE IS NO SECOND RETIREMENT PLAN. It would appear the problem lies with the accounting methods used. Why is there "unfunded liability" if the amount of the retirement is calculated according to the rules established by the City and the retirement system even though that calculation exceeds the amount allowed by the IRS?

Posted by George | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 10:19 am

BS - do you even understand the discussion, or are the details of the law too tedious for you? Arrogant to ask questions? I think most arrogant people are people that think they know everything, so they don't ask questions. Someone needs to ask questions, and it won't be anybody else!

Posted by Charles | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 10:43 am

With this information now presented to the public from a knowledgeable and reliable individual, no matter what one thinks of Donna's politics, we all have been given "notice". If the council allows it to continue as they have, in secret, they should be brought to face criminal charges including conspiracy. Knowing that this rip-off is taking place and not holding a public hearing-Today, is inexcusable. If the citizens of San Diego don't demand an immediate public hearing, they deserve the large tax increases and/or bankruptcy. My Thanks to Ms. Frye for enduring the insults of some crude and vocal critics who have way too much time on their hands. In the old days, they would often shoot the messenger. They were much kinder in those days. Thanks.

Posted by "Wiggy" | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 12:03 pm

Wiggy---very well stated. Thank-you to Donna Frye, for once again, asking the important questions. She continues to be the spokes person for the San Diego "commoner."

Posted by Dale Peterson | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 3:19 pm

Thank you, Donna, for having the integrity that all public officials should have -- and that the public deserves. Keep fighting for us, and please run for mayor again.

Posted by John | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 3:56 pm

Is it possible to qualify many of the people commenting on pension issues with an asterisk if they are a present SD City employee and an exclamation point if they are a SD City retiree? :)

Posted by Frank J | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 4:01 pm

16. Frank J wrote on November 13, 2007 6:01 PM: Is it possible to qualify many of the people commenting on pension issues with an asterisk if they are a present SD City employee and an exclamation point if they are a SD City retiree? :) ............The ONLY people complaining are the current and retired welfare queen City workers. I mean if you're not one of the lucky/ connected/ lottery winner few receiving the benefits then you're one of the ones PAYING for it.

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 5:36 pm

No way are Ms. Frye's questions tedious and arrogant. Please continue your schooling Black Sabbath. Ms Frye is to the City Council as Diane Shippione was to the Pension Board. Both ladies are smart, determined, honest, and feared by most politicans in San Diego. If was not for these 2 woman, we'd still be cooking the books and probably building a new stadium for the Chargers. The taxpayers (not the developers) of San Diego thank them for the tireless efforts, drive and a job well done. Nothing about them is tedious nor arrogant....actually I don't even believe Black Sabbath believe what they wrote but rather are trying to tarnish the fine reputation of Ms. Frye. NOT!!! They are not oafs!

Posted by Norman | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 7:06 pm

Councilwoman Frye don't you understand that the Mayor gets a monthly retirement check! How dare you question a fellow elected official's monthly income. At least the balance of the council understands this basic rule.

Posted by Dave | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 7:44 pm

Councilwoman Frye don't you understand that the Mayor gets a monthly retirement check! How dare you question a fellow elected official's monthly income. At least the balance of the council understands this basic rule.

Posted by Dave | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 7:44 pm

Councilwoman Frye don't you understand that the Mayor gets a monthly retirement check! How dare you question a fellow elected official's monthly income. At least the balance of the council understands this basic rule.

Posted by Dave | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 7:44 pm

Donna, if you think Purchase of Service Credits are a scam, then at least acknowledge that your POSC is among the worst scams of all! Altho flawed, the price for POSC's was based on an actuarial analysis of the average work life of a General Member employee; 25 to 30 years. As legislator, your purchased years should have been much more expensive, based on a City worklife of 4 to 8 years. This was well known at the time; legislators with their gold-plated Legislative Pensions buying years at the General Member price. No wonder you and Ralphie rushed to buy years. How convenient that you can't unwind your purchase. If the General Member rate was a underpriced, then your purchase price was an absolute theft!

Posted by tseuG | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 8:07 pm

Donna Frye is the only council member that does their homework. She consistantly asks the penetrating and revealing questions at city council. Unfortunately the city's retirees have been ill served by a conflicted, self serving SDCERS board. Diane Shipione blew the whistle on those irregularitees. What the city attorney has been trying to do is eliminate the illegal benefits in order to save the legitimate ones. Unfortunately the final result may be that all of those on the pension plan may loose all of their befefits if the almost inevitable happens...this city's BANKRUPCY.

Posted by Richard | reply to this comment
November 13, 2007 10:45 pm

Let us kill the messengers. Let us kill Fry and Aguirre for their honest attempts to disclose the Downtown Powers who run the City at the expense of the remaining 1 million + residents. The Downtown Powers, under attack, for their self-serving, morally corrupt activity, and continuing deceit, include the UT subjective and morally corrupt editorial staff, the morally corrupt, butt kissing chief of police, and the ultimate in deceit and moral corruption, Bonnie Dumanis, are determined to destroy both Aguirre and Fry. At the same time, the cowardly, go along to get along, Scott Peters is elected to another term as President of the useless City Council.

Posted by RAY | reply to this comment
November 14, 2007 8:06 am

Tell the whole truth Donna. How many receive this benefit. More than 4? This only applies to a few overpaid former city managers, not to any rank and file employees. It makes a good soundbite though, huh? You've made a huge mistake in doing Aguirre's bidding. You will be defeated in a landslide if you run for PTA. Adios!!

Posted by Kaleb | reply to this comment
November 15, 2007 9:22 pm

Donna: I was born in San Diego and bought a surfboard from Skip along time ago, I liked you then and I like you even better now. Thank God you got Elected I can not remember a time in my life of 58 years of living in San Diego that we have ever had a local Government that was not full of Greedy People out to get their Due at the Expense of the Citizens of San Diego. Go get them Donna! Keep them Honest! If all you do is keep Government Transparent so we common Citizens know what the Carpet Baggers are up to. We all know in our Hearts that something is wrong when a Civil Service Employee can make more than the People who pay their Salaries in Wages and Retirement. This Crap needs to stop and Right Now. We Deserve an Honest Government...

Posted by Donald Reno | reply to this comment
November 16, 2007 12:00 pm

What an ignorant statement Mr. Reno....One more of many!

Posted by Kaleb | reply to this comment
November 27, 2007 10:58 pm


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