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The Meeting in Question

Published: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:07 PM PST



In light of today's U-T report on the State Bar investigation into City Attorney Mike Aguirre, I'm having flashbacks of a series of columns I did in 2005 about the meeting that is apparently at the center of the Bar's probe.

Flashback with me: Watching a City Council meeting in August of that year, I was shocked to see then Assistant City Attorney Les Girard quietly announce that the City Council had authorized City Attorney Mike Aguirre to sue to get rid of pension benefits he thought city employees had illegally secured.

It was a stunner. I rewound the tape a couple of times to make sure I understood him because the City Council had, until that point, never been too enthusiastic about Aguirre's expressed desire to completely roll back benefit enhancements city employees had secured in the 90s and in 2002.

So I called Aguirre to confirm and wrote up what I thought was big news.

Don "The Rat" McGrath today tries to explain the city attorney's side.
It suddenly got the attention of both union leaders and a blogger named Pat Flannery neither of whom completely believed me until they too saw the tapes. When Ann Smith, the lawyer for the city's Municipal Employee Association heard about it, she wanted to know what was going on as well and sent a letter to the City Council asking.

I wrote up a followup after asking a couple of City Council members.

On Aug. 9 just before the City Council broke its meeting to go to lunch (at 1 hour, 43 minutes into the archived video on the city's Web site -- for the really interested), Assistant City Attorney Les Girard made this announcement:

"Last week in closed session, by a unanimous vote, the City Council authorized the city attorney to pursue a modified cross complaint in the action of SDCERS v. the city of San Diego and City Attorney Michael Aguirre."


Heck, it's my blog, I'm just going to reprint the best part of the column here:

In an interview Aug. 12, Aguirre said that the council had "joined the city attorney" in his legal pursuits against the pension board on the condition that he drop his contention that individuals named in the suit be held personally liable for their actions. That was how the complaint was "modified," Aguirre said.

"This is an area where the City Council has chosen to support the city attorney," he said.

He reaffirmed his statements last week.

But relations among the city leaders have apparently deteriorated so badly that they can't even agree on what official actions they have taken.

Deputy Mayor Toni Atkins released a one-line reaction.

"The Council took no action nor a position on benefits being legal or illegal nor allowing the City Attorney to be counsel for the [San Diego City Employees' Retirement System] board," Atkins said.

Since it's the only statement we have from her on this, we have to take each word for what its worth.

Let's see that again: "The Council took no action nor a position on benefits being legal or illegal."

So what did they do? Why did Les Girard announce in an open council session that "the City Council authorized the city attorney to pursue a modified cross complaint ..."

Is that not an "action"?

Atkins' colleague, Councilman Scott Peters, acknowledges that the council took an action, just not an action with the impact Aguirre describes.

Here's Peters' take.

"...the City Council has authorized the city attorney to allege illegality in his name only," Peters wrote (emphasis added) in a memorandum to Aguirre disputing language Aguirre uses in court documents.

Peters made his case to Voice of San Diego Thursday.

"No one has signed on to his view that the benefits are illegal. He has been authorized to make that argument in his own name but not on behalf of the City Council or the City of San Diego," Peters said. "I would never have voted to authorize him to litigate this illegality issue if the retirement board hadn't brought it up."

Peters said the authorization the council granted Aguirre "in no way" signifies official City Council support for Aguirre's legal maneuver.

Isn't it, however, a bit more supportive than, say, not authorizing him?

Peters explained that, in this instance, it's the retirement board's fault. The pension system, in July, filed a complaint asking a judge to determine if -- in light of Aguirre's blistering investigative reports -- benefits it was paying out were illegal or not.

The pension board had also filed a lawsuit against Aguirre after he tried to take over the attorney chair at the agency.



Now, fast forward two-and-a-half years and the state bar apparently is suspicious of whether the City Council actually did give Aguirre authorization to do the lawsuit or not. And that, we're all assuming, must be something the Bar has a serious problem with. The Bar, according to the U-T's Alex Roth, has asked for a transcript of the secret meeting Girard had referred.

Let's just say that if the City Council does waive the right to keep that transcript private, I will be the first in line to get a copy. It never was entirely clear what the City Council authorized and didn’t.

But I'll repeat this one point I've been making for a couple of years now: Aguirre always argued that he didn't need the City Council to approve his litigious actions yet in times like this, he sought and trumpeted their approval. If he didn't need their approval and really believed that, he probably would never have sought it.

-- SCOTT LEWIS




29 Comments so far on this story...

" Aguirre always argued that he didn't need the City Council to approve his litigious actions yet in times like this, he sought and trumpeted their approval. If he didn't need their approval and really believed that, he probably would never have sought it."......BALONEY, just because Mike says he has the legal authority to file a lawsuit on behalf of the citizens, and informs the Clowncil, that does not mean he nees their approval or would automatically ask them for permission. Mike was most likely doing this as a courtesy, and there is nothing wrong with that and that is NOT an admission that Mike needs their authority to file a lawsuit. If Mike needed the Clowncils permission to legally challenge these scams there would not be a single lawsuit or legal challenge filed-thanks to Scott "I want to raise your pension" Peters, who would torpedo all legal challenges.

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
February 19, 2008 1:52 pm

Dead on with this piece Scott. Your last paragraph is a perfect summation to what this is all about. There is more to this than has yet to come out. Question: Is it a conflict of interest for a City Attorney, ANY City Attorney to advise the City Council on this issue, in closed session? Why was McGrath assigned to "sit in and take notes" during this "closed" session if he had no "real" need to be there? Inquiring minds would like to know. When the privilege is waived and the information comes out we will all know who is telling the truth. Until then, it sure is fun to watch the twitching and avoiding as well as the hair styles or lack there of for Mr Aguirre.

Posted by Sparky | reply to this comment
February 19, 2008 1:53 pm

Sounds like a classic example of giving out enough rope so a certain City Attorney can hang himself...

Posted by Joe in PTL | reply to this comment
February 19, 2008 3:26 pm

I'm no Aguirre fan, but using the term "the rat" for Don McGrath, even if you are just repeating what others say, is disgraceful. Even the UT doesn't stoop that low. No wonder you can't get a real gig elsewhere.

Posted by Larry | reply to this comment
February 19, 2008 3:56 pm

Larry -- McGrath's nickname is the Rat. He calls himself that. I don't think anyone who knows him sees that as a pejorative. It's what many lawyers have long known him as.

Posted by Scott Lewis | reply to this comment
February 19, 2008 4:08 pm

Closed session meetings are not "secret" meetings. Secret meetings would be something you don't even know about! Closed session meetings are something all public agencies (and other entities) have.

Posted by Ann | reply to this comment
February 19, 2008 11:12 pm

In addition to the always entertaining Mr.McGrath, I smell another rat here, or maybe its fish I smell. In any event the state bar investigation smells pretty rank here. I recall many years ago when Susan Golding, another client of Tom Shepard, was running against Lynn Schenck, Golding announced an attorney general's investigation of Schenck just before the election. Turned out the investigation had been launched at Golding's behest and was concluded with no charges shortly after the election. I'd look for any connection between members of the bar board and Alan Bersin. Members of the state bar board are entirely political animals looking for either judgeships or appointments to other state boards and clients. Not Mike's group -- but certainly Alan's.

Posted by Jorgeelgato | reply to this comment
February 19, 2008 11:56 pm

Doesn't matter, Scott. His nickname is irrelevant to the story, and no serious publication would use it.

Posted by Larry | reply to this comment
February 20, 2008 6:45 am

Right on Larry! Scott you are the biggest Aguirre basher....I wonder why you don't bash our Mayor half as often? All I can say is thank goodness Aguirre got elected versus Devaney -----I can't image how she'd be sucking up to Peters, Dumanis, Kolendar and the whole clan. Scott, if you want the truth, why don't/didn't you ask Frye what happened in that meeting? Frye is true blue but unfortunately The Voice doesn't give her anytime time...If it wasn't for Frye...nobody would have listened to Shipione....Right???

Posted by Norman | reply to this comment
February 20, 2008 8:21 am

How is it that Aguirre who is so adherent to the wording of the city charter on his independent role as Attorney,cannot bring himself to amplify and exercise the passage in Section 76 that explicitly requires a pension tax levy without popular vote for any underfunding of the pension? He and all the sychophant city attorneys before him should have enacted a pension tax levy, long before Section 1090 conflicts, long before the deceptive bonds floated to Wallstreet, when the City came begging for funding delays and later Convention construction money from the Pension, in return for benefit increases. The bottom line was maintaining the power of politicians seeking sure reelection by not angering the notorious tax averse eletorate base of San Diego. We can actually pin the whole pension mess on the Electorate, if truth be fully fathomed, for always demanding expensive goodies at less than cost.

Posted by Richard M. Dell'Orfano | reply to this comment
February 20, 2008 9:48 am

link The City Attorney put the issue of releasing the “transcript for the August 2, 2005 Close Session Item CS-2 related to pension litigation for in camera review by official of the State Bar” on the close session agenda docket to clear up the matter. The City Attorney cannot release the attorney-client privilege without the City Council's Approval. Instead of letting the public see the transcript, the City Council choose to keep their close session transcript under wraps. The decision maker was the City Council, not the City Attorney. To our City Council: Please release the closed session meeting transcript to the public. Inquiring minds want to resolve this issue for themselves.

Posted by La Playa Heritage | reply to this comment
February 20, 2008 9:56 am

I just wonder, does McGrath realize he is making a fool of himself? He keeps opening his big mouth in lap-dog loyalty defense of his boss, now even accusing the state bar of political conspiracy. Did Mikey's paranoia become contagious? McGrath can't expect to have a job after the election and a new CA takes office. He's done nothing more lately than embarrass the office and his colleagues.

Posted by D | reply to this comment
February 20, 2008 12:24 pm

10. Richard M. Dell'Orfano wrote on February 20, 2008 9:48 AM: How is it that Aguirre who is so adherent to the wording of the city charter on his independent role as Attorney,cannot bring himself to amplify and exercise the passage in Section 76 that explicitly requires a pension tax levy without popular vote for any underfunding of the pension? ===== Hmmmm... LAST time I checked the State Constitution required a public VOTE with a 2/3's majority to increase taxes, and I do beleive, but correct me if I am wrong, that the law of the land in California is the State Constitution, NOT the City Charter.

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
February 20, 2008 12:32 pm

There is an important question that needs answering. At the 2002 meeting, precisely how much money did each member of the City Council have riding on the outcome of the proposed litigation? That is, when the City Attorney prevails on appeal, by what dollar amount will the pension benefits of each City Council member be reduced? Only by answering this question can the public understand the inherent conflict of interest of any requirement to obtain City Council approval of litigation challenging pension benefits. Also, if members of the City Council were attorneys at the time of the vote, do the Rules of Professional Conduct, require that those Councilmembers recuse themselves because they have a financial conflict of interest vis a vis the City of San Diego?

Posted by Bruce | reply to this comment
February 20, 2008 2:39 pm

Pat Flannery as Norman once again. Is there anything you don't blame the mayor for Pat? Remember, he wasn't yet in office when MP-1 and MP-2 were enacted. Also, you are supposedly the big brave blogger for all of San Diego. Why do you post under Norman?

Posted by Steve | reply to this comment
February 20, 2008 4:26 pm

Scott Lewis: please remove post # 15 from your blog. You know and everybody at Voice of San Diego knows that I NEVER post under an assumed name, on this site or anywhere else. I have NEVER posted as "Norman" or as any other false name. Please identify this "Steve" person and tell them to stop slandering me on your blog. Thank you for your cooperation. Pat Flannery

Posted by Pat Flannery | reply to this comment
February 20, 2008 5:59 pm

This does smell fishy...the timing: they waited thwo years?...the source: Goldsmith, Bersin, Peters, Mainshein, Dumanis, Kollender, all have friends on the bar...the issue: the underlying mess created by the city council when they raided the pension to pay for the GOP, the Q, PetCo, and the Convention Center...all payoffs to the same fat cats that want Aguirre gone...very fishy Scott, and maybe you should dig a bit deeper my friend.

Posted by Fred Williams | reply to this comment
February 20, 2008 7:18 pm

when i was in college i lived in the basement suite with"the mole". we were truly underground. when we came up they would say..." here comes THE RAT and the mole to get their cheese". i then went in the army as a recon platoon leader on the east german border and we rode in jeeps with mounted 50 cal. machine guns...hence THE RAT PATROL. i am THE RAT,as in if you mess with THE RAT you will get the tail. my call sign was RULING RAT.in short, i am THE RAT and i take no offense. my only goal is to see good government and news people that actualy read the hard work you give them and not their own personal bias.to date i have found very few reporters who even take the time to read anything.alex roth of the UT is one of these people.why can't he read.

Posted by the rat | reply to this comment
February 20, 2008 7:21 pm

RE: Post 13 Billy Bob to correct you... YOU ARE WRONG. The provision of the Charter WAS voted on by the public/electorate and passed. This Charter provision does as Richard in Post #10 states. It allows for a pension tax levy... The Mayor, City Council and City Attorney have all refused to use this provision or consider this levy. Spanked again BBH.... You might want to re-check that Law degree from Thomas Jefferson... Before responding have someone help you in the law library and research this issue before popping off... You are wrong!!!

Posted by Sparky | reply to this comment
February 20, 2008 8:03 pm

Sparky, I have to spank you again it looks like. There has NEVER been a 2/3's MAJORITY vote BY THE PUBLIC (not the electorate-wrong again "Sparky") allowing a "pension tax levy"... why don't you stop spreading the Welfare Queen lie and stick to fighting fires- and leave the legal work to the big boys who actually have training in the field.

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
February 21, 2008 7:44 pm

BBH, you are wrong and Sparky and Richard are correct in the fact that the city can levy a tax or fee for pension underfunding. Ann Smith brought this to the city council when Mayor Murphyh was still in office, so they have known for some time now. And this was voted on by the public.

Posted by Kathi Ward | reply to this comment
February 22, 2008 7:47 am

Bob, try reading the Charter. A Pension "special levy" does not need a vote to be implemented by the Council. YOU ARE WRONG!!! Kathi Ward is correct. To levy a tax for other purposes above the stated maximum in the Charter requires a vote of the voting public. If us common folk with our GED educations left people like you in charge and took your word for things cause you received a piece of parchment from Thomas Jefferson, god knows where we would be. Most likely BK??? If you had half the brain you purport maybe someone could explain the requirements of Chapter 9. The City does not meet the requirements Bob. Stick to your day job and leave public policy decisions to those who actually understand it. Reading and applying a skill/knowledge are not for everyone... You appear to be one of those. Dec 12, 2002??

Posted by Sparky | reply to this comment
February 22, 2008 8:18 am

Sparky, you and Kathi Ward are certitifed welfare queens, and you are not honest, and come up with this nonsense non stop. Under Prop 13 you are MANDATED to have a 2/3's majority to RAISE taxes. That's the law buddy. And your little line that Ann Smith says it is OK to raise taxes b/c she says so is so far from outer space that Mars must be looking for the looney tune that escaped their planet. Get a clue. You and Kathi.

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
February 22, 2008 11:33 am

Bob, it is completely amazing how a professed college educated, bar toting individual like yourself could be so ignorant when it comes to matters of law. Try reading the Charter of San Diego. I suggested that once before. Then chew on this; "section 76's ad valorem property taxation limitation as prohibiting use of a {Page 252 Cal.App.2d 595} doctrine which does not affect property taxation, the limitation should be construed as consistently using the term "special tax" as an ad valorem special-purpose property tax." Continuing; "Section 76 authorizes an ad valorem property tax for a special pension purpose." This is part of an analysis of this section by the courts when challenged. So Bob, AGAIN; YOU ARE WRONG!!!! Have someone at the Law Library help you out with the words and meaning of the above. Apologize to Kathi for your slandering comments.

Posted by Sparky | reply to this comment
February 22, 2008 2:26 pm

24. Sparky wrote on February 22, 2008 2:26 PM: Apologize to Kathi for your slandering comments.... ME and Kathi are having brother/sister type argument, and you are just seeing a little sibling rivalry...LOL....BTW I am not "Bob".

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
February 22, 2008 7:45 pm

Billy Bob Henry is CORRECT. 2/3 vote to raise taxes it is. Sparky and Kathi, your embarrassing yourselves.

Posted by Rocky | reply to this comment
February 23, 2008 8:21 am

I am not Pat Flannery, I don't look like him, walk like him, talk like him but I may have some of the same views. #15 Steve, it may be hard to believe but there are many people out there that don't believe our Mayor has done what he said he would do, or is at all a public servant. He's lost credibility but not his friends in high places....and I'm not referring the Lord up above or our holy angels!

Posted by Norman | reply to this comment
February 23, 2008 9:43 am

If you are so proud of relying on documentary sources, and unimpeachable sources, on your blog, why don't you have the nerve to allow comments on your blog? Are you afraid of your "record" being corrected? Of course you are.

Posted by Say, Mr. Flannery | reply to this comment
February 23, 2008 1:13 pm

To say, mr. flannery. You can have at it over at redcountysandiego where Mr. Flannery does sometimes cross post. comments are allowed on that site. :)

Posted by Say hey | reply to this comment
February 24, 2008 10:01 am


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