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Some Thoughts on Sainz

Published: Thursday, July 3, 2008 3:24 PM PDT



Yesterday, after I got the news that the mayor's spokesman, Fred Sainz, was moving on, I remarked that he was one of the most influential press guys I'd ever run across.

Sainz was a powerful figure at City Hall. He not only shaped the message the public received, he arguably helped shape a lot of the policy that was supposed to be messaged. But it was more than that. It was Sainz's time at the San Diego Convention Center that influenced his thoughts on things like the Gaylord project in Chula Vista. The mayor's hostility to that project and to port Commissioner Steve Cushman, when Cushman was up for a third term at the port, undoubtedly came from Sainz. It was one of the many examples of what Sainz brought to City Hall.

Sainz's influence was also unique for one simple reason: He had license to speak for the mayor. This was a big deal. This was a departure. Former Mayor Dick Murphy, for example, did not allow anyone to speak for him. He may or may not call a reporter back or have a press conference. But if he didn't do that, you didn't have any public statement from the mayor. Period.

That was one of the biggest changes in 2005/2006 when Mayor Jerry Sanders took office. We went from this sober, distant, occasional briefing from the grandfatherly Murphy to this hyper eloquent intense pontificating from Sainz.

He saw how messages could get out much better than they ever had been put out at City Hall and he tried to spit out every observation he had in rapid responses. He made sure the mayor had a statement on everything. He set up scores of press conferences for the mayor for the express purpose of controlling the news cycle and trying to make sure the mayor was setting the debate whenever possible.

But his availability with a response was perhaps the reason he became such a well-known figure in San Diego. When you have someone who will speak for the mayor, you can get the mayor to "speak" in essence, a lot more.

Sainz was perfect for this. Few people can think on their feet and speak as quickly and clearly as Sainz can. But to speak with so much spontaneity and authority, he must have had an unlimited mandate from the mayor. And that means he had to know that whatever twist he made while explaining something, he could probably cover with his influence on policy. In other words, he didn't just have to communicate policy, he got to communicate and then ensure that what he said was reflected in policy.

It was this power, though, that Sainz stumbled over sometimes.

He never met a question he didn't know the answer to. Most famously, when our own Andrew Donohue asked him a couple of months ago if the mayor had uttered an obscenity to his electoral rival, Steve Francis, Sainz characteristically not only knew the answer but was jarring with his certainty and insistence that Sanders had not, in fact, swore at Francis.

Problem was, Sanders did swear at his competitor.

Sainz did that often, speaking with such authority and intensity on a particular issue that it was almost as though he was trying to shame you for thinking the truth could be different. This is fine, as long as you are always speaking the truth. But if someone who speaks with so much intensity turns out to not be telling the truth, it's a bigger deal than it has to be.

And so it was with Sainz. When he was wrong, he was dreadfully wrong.

Sainz, in many ways, defined the public's perception of the mayor good and bad. In fact, Sainz badly mishandled the ugliest stain on the mayor's record, his encounter with the Sunroad building in Kearny Mesa. It was the same recipe as the mayor's obscenity: He authoritatively denied denied denied only to find himself explaining why he was wrong -- never an easy thing to do.

Had the mayor done what he did with the swearing -- just admitted that he was off and needed to work to repair anything that had gone wrong, it never would have become what it did.

Sainz's replacement, Darren Pudgil, is much more low key. Will he still speak for the mayor? Will he advocate like his predecessor did? Will he passively field the daily crises or will he work to craft the mayor's perception in the community proactively? Will he ever say those magic words Sainz struggled with: "I don't know."

It'll be interesting to see.

-- SCOTT LEWIS




29 Comments so far on this story...

Well stated and fair obituary... But I wonder... Can we ever get to the best of both worlds? Can you have an active mouthpiece without the mouthpiece overshadowing the political master?

Posted by Basic Civics | reply to this comment
July 3, 2008 2:39 pm

Scott...forget wishing for an "I don't know" answer, and instead, speak up and demand an honest answer. Unfortunately, being truthful was never Fred's strong point, as evidenced in your story about whether Mayor Sanders cussed or not at Steve Francis. Meanwhile, the back door deals continue to cost us billions of dollars, whilst the media focuses on cuss words, and wishing for an "I don't know" answer from our City Leaders. Phooey!

Posted by Pint Loma Resident | reply to this comment
July 3, 2008 3:01 pm

Scott...forget wishing for an "I don't know" answer, and instead, speak up and demand an honest answer. Unfortunately, being truthful was never Fred's strong point, as evidenced in your story about whether Mayor Sanders cussed or not at Steve Francis. Meanwhile, the back door deals continue to cost us billions of dollars, whilst the media focuses on cuss words, and wishing for an "I don't know" answer from our City Leaders. Phooey!

Posted by Point Loma Resident | reply to this comment
July 3, 2008 3:01 pm

"Brilliant" and "reckless" seem to go together so often.

Posted by observation | reply to this comment
July 3, 2008 3:18 pm

Goodbye Fred, and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Good frickin' riddance. Since when should a press secretary be setting policy? Everyone knows that's what Fred did. He and Kris Michelle have kept Sanders on the puppet strings for long enough. And what does it say about a mayor who can't keep high-level staff on the job? San Diego voters are lame.

Posted by 2cent Jack | reply to this comment
July 3, 2008 3:49 pm

Fred made pr people look bad. But he made Sanders look like his own puppet.

Posted by Hildy | reply to this comment
July 3, 2008 4:05 pm

Oddly enough Sainz’s departure will allow me to start believing in The Voice - again. To me, The Voice had become the "Voice of Fred Sainz". If Sanders had not admitted the truth about my F-bomb story, the first Voice report would have stood: "It is patently false. I was there. It's laughable. It's absolutely laughable.” How many other "laughable" denials were printed in The Voice on the word of Sainz? You say: “he was one of the most influential press guys I'd ever run across” - that’s what worries me - just how many of his lies were printed?

Posted by Pat Flannery | reply to this comment
July 3, 2008 4:55 pm

Jerry Sanders allowed our local version of Karl Rove to shape and announce the "Mayor's" positions. The media dutifully reported them. Yes, Sainz is a brilliant, arrogant knave, but I am far more concerned about our amiable hand-puppet Mayor and the supine media that have not departed for Denver. The media, including VOSD, being more aware, should be more accountable. I have much more faith in Mr. Flannery's blog.

Posted by clp | reply to this comment
July 3, 2008 5:24 pm

Nice tribute Scott. Love him or hate him, Fred Sainz was a talented spokesman and highly influential guy at City Hall. He was f***ing good at his job. I wish him the best.

Posted by Simple Guy | reply to this comment
July 3, 2008 7:04 pm

Pat Flannery says "How many other "laughable" denials were printed in The Voice on the word of Sainz? You say: ââ?¬Å?he was one of the most influential press guys I'd ever run acrossââ?¬Â? - thatââ?¬â?¢s what worries me - just how many of his lies were printed?" Dude, lets worry about yourself before you start blasting Voice. If you ever knew how to write the truth on your bloooooger of san diego site then maybe someone could listen and believe what you write. Again, I witness your interview of my boss some time ago and what was said in the interview and what you wrote was ummmm "a lie" enough said now. Now back to the topic of Fred Sainz, its a grand party to see him LEAVE!

Posted by LMG | reply to this comment
July 3, 2008 10:34 pm

Sainz was a great example of what happens when you have a weak mayor. He simply took advantage of the situation. Perhaps Jerry can grow a pair and start speaking for himself now.

Posted by Larry | reply to this comment
July 4, 2008 7:22 am

Brilliant - NO ( distinguished by unusual mental keenness or alertness.....crafty - YES (marked by subtlety and guile) . Why can't we have a mayor that speaks for himself so we can get the story from the horses mouth not the horses ass? Elimination our Mayor's communicator could pay to extend a library's hours or keep a pool open .....but NO it's important to have a puppet for the Mayor. What a waste of taxpayer dollars!

Posted by Norman | reply to this comment
July 4, 2008 8:25 am

Nah Nah Nah Nah, Nah Nah Nah Nah--Hey Hey--Goodbye!

Posted by Steve K | reply to this comment
July 4, 2008 8:50 am

LMG: instead of shooting from behind your anonymous hedge, tell us who your "boss" is and when this "interview" is supposed to have taken place. Otherwise you are just another anonymous liar who runs like a cockroach when the lights of recognition are turned on. You know my email if you have something to "correct": pat@patflannery.com. The fact that you would not reveal what I "misreported" speaks for itself. You are just another union/developer welfare queen, hiding in the bushes, stealing from the long-suffering San Diego taxpayer. You have good reason to be apprehensive and bitter. It's over.

Posted by Pat Flannery | reply to this comment
July 4, 2008 10:39 am

I suspected we had a Charlie McCarthy in the Mayor's office; little did I realize the mayor sat on Sainz's lap. Is the new guy trained in ventriliquism? If not, he better get trained prior to his August starting date. Sanders is paying the new guy $140.000. vice Sainz's $125,000. Sainz claims he's not busted up over this--the heck he's not. Once he's settled in Denver, San Diego's dark closet door will be opened. Watch. By the way, what does the new guy have that warrants the taxpayers increasing that position's salary by $15,000,? Sanders must be buying something we don't know about. YET!

Posted by Pietro | reply to this comment
July 4, 2008 12:34 pm

Well I have my own opinion of Mr. Sainz. But rather than focus on his and our Mayor past, let's wipe the slate clean. Mayor Sanders now has two plus years as the City's Chief Executive. He's held more press conferences than Carter has pills so why don't we see what HE does on his own. Will he start leading the way or bring in a new surrogate/mouth piece to test the waters before he acts? My understanding of his years as Chief of Police was a whole lot of meetings, lots of people but few if any substantial decisions. I say now’s your chance Mr. Mayor. It's time to show us those leadership skills you've spoken of and not hide behind the curtain, pretending to be the all powerful Wizard of OZ.

Posted by Just Wondering | reply to this comment
July 4, 2008 2:46 pm

In the spokesperson business, credibility is king. Lie, and you lose credibility -- with the media and the public. He lied; he lost credibility. At that point, he became a liability to Sanders.

Posted by cobracat | reply to this comment
July 4, 2008 4:45 pm

Let me add some more perspective on Fred. I'm a classified employee who's been at the city for 20+ years. Rarely if ever have I encountered a more decisive policy maker. He's a really smart guy, he heard all sides, ask tough questions and then made a decision that he was able to reconcile with his boss's previous positions or agenda. We didn't always agree with it but we were always thankful that he made a decision. In city government, that has been rare. A lot has been said about Fred's style. Having been in a dozen or more meetings over his 2 years at the city, I can tell you that he doesn't suffer fools easily but he's fair. If you said something stupid, chances are that it was going to be pointed out to you. You knew to come prepared to a meeting with Fred.

Posted by City Working Stiff | reply to this comment
July 5, 2008 10:48 am

Let there be no doubt that he'll be missed by the mayor and the team of poo-bahs at the top. He kept them out of trouble. Take it from this city working stiff, Fred asked all of the tough questions that no one would ask including the mayor. I know it's fun for people to beat him up here but take it from at least one city employee who doesn't buy into the union b.s., he made the city a better place.

Posted by City Working Stiff | reply to this comment
July 5, 2008 10:57 am

I can only imagine the relief Scott must feel that you will now begin to believe in the Voice. How ironic coming from a fellow who will not allow comments on your own blog, lest we be able to correct your purposeful mistakes publicly. Allow comments, and then criticize others.

Posted by Good one, Flannery . . . | reply to this comment
July 5, 2008 1:30 pm

Your perception is right on Scott. Fred could never bring himself to say he did not know an answer. He would as you wrote answer any, all and every question with such authority he was seldom doubted. He thought of himself as San Diego's Karl Rove. What a joke he truly was. He would make up lies and feed them to the press and laugh about it. Politics was a game and he made the rules as he went along. His departure will be NO loss for this City. Darren is a capable, honest, intelligent professional who will not be afraid to say he does not have an answer. He will then get the information and answer honestly. Darren will be a breath of fresh air in the Mayor's office. Question; who is replacing Lisa Briggs who is leaving for SEMPRA? A huge loss to the City.

Posted by Steve McMillan | reply to this comment
July 5, 2008 9:00 pm

Good riddins to Fred Sainz. At least now we won't have to listen to all his spin and propaganda against all the city employees anymore. Denver deserves Curious George!!!

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
July 6, 2008 5:45 am

There seems to be this need to think that things are not as simple as they are and create little fictions in our mind about dark forces pulling strings. For example, what is the fun in thinking that that Mayor actually runs the city? Or that the CIA didn't kill Kennedy? Or that we landed in the moon? What would we have to talk about then?

Posted by KS | reply to this comment
July 6, 2008 7:44 am

Yes, Fred did make policy; more often than the citizens of The City of San Diego realize. Isn't anyone the least bit disturbed that it was Jerry that was on the ballot? Jerry never admits publically that Fred, not he, makes policy! Now who's going to make the policy decisions? Oh yeah, I forgot, Kris Michelle is still here.

Posted by Creative government | reply to this comment
July 6, 2008 2:34 pm

Fred Sainz was/is "beaten up on" because he was one of the most abrasive, non-professional policy wonks to ever play in SD politics. Scott, this guy doesn't deserve your butt-kissing and I want you to ponder this: politics is easy when you play to win, but hard when you play for what is right. Fred wanted to win period- unless you count his own, self-interested policy preferences. How many people have stories of Fred being an ignorant tool ripping into people about things he knew nothing about? Many. The Mayor, and City, will fair much better with a professional who communicates in a manner and demeanor respective of the position.

Posted by NotMe | reply to this comment
July 6, 2008 2:53 pm

Not me, you said it well. Smart though he may have been, Fred was too quick on the draw and lacked the judgment and decorum befitting the office of the mayor. Pudgil is definitely low-key and, in my limited experience with him, seems like a gentleman. I think this indicates a shift for the mayor's office to post-election staffing -- you don't have to have a "killer" in place because the campaign is over. Those who think Sanders is a puppet seem not to have seen him in action. He's pretty sharp. Don't mistake his regular-guy demeanor for someone who doesn't know what's going on.

Posted by Hear, hear! | reply to this comment
July 7, 2008 8:34 am

I did not post comment #22. But I am glad Sainz "The Liar" is on his way out.

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
July 7, 2008 10:47 am

Fred Sainz leaving town doesn't change the fact that $anders = $unroad.

Posted by Point Loma Resident | reply to this comment
July 7, 2008 10:59 am

Folks: Sanders' alter ego (mejor) has taken his pension and departed our City. As someone said 'our gain is Denver's loss' [down-fall].It is now going to be interesting to see how Sanders handles management; he has not the faintest idea as to what is going on in this City. The cronyism cycle is never ending; here we go again with Supervisor Robert's former Chief of Staff. God help us. Roberts has never achieved his goal of being Mayor of San Diego. Now,he has a direct contact starting work August 14. Based on past history of San Diego Administration, I am strongly cynical of the future.

Posted by Pietro | reply to this comment
July 7, 2008 4:51 pm


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