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Roberts: Shame on You, San Diego

Published: Friday, October 24, 2008 5:05 PM PDT



Two weeks ago, if you were to ask even some of the most well-informed people in San Diego how they were voting on Proposition A, it wouldn't have been odd for them to look back at you with a blank stare.

What was Proposition A again?

Well, it's the parcel tax that would charge about $52 per year for property owners in the county. The money would be used to fund firefighting efforts and perhaps construct a region-wide fire department.

I know, it's a totally futuristic thing.

And, of course, in true San Diego fashion, despite the fact that the county has ignited in conflagration two times in the last five years, it does not look like any major steps will be taken to address the county's absurd lack of means to fight fires.

Unlike the TransNet half-cent sales tax measure passed in 2004, Proposition A's support is meager. It was supposed to be the region's collective response to the horrible fires we witnessed last year. Remember that ridiculous show we watched last year when the mayor was giving his State of the City speech and he had that heartwarming interruption in the middle of it with County Supervisor Ron Roberts?

They promised cooperation and leadership -- an arrangement where, once and for all, we'll figure some things out for the county. Remember that?

Yeah, total joke.

Proposition A is an after-thought. Nobody's serious about it. There's no real campaign. The mayor remembers to mention it in the middle of speeches or at the end of his presentations.

Will Carless picked up on that last week and wrote a great story about how, in contrast to four years ago when the county united to pass a tax to build more roads, almost nothing is happening to pass this fire measure.

Carless' nut graf:

They said the reluctance by officials to embrace the proposition is also intrinsically tied to the unpopularity of the man widely considered its creator: County Supervisor Ron Roberts. Roberts has alienated his colleagues on the Board of Supervisors, who only reluctantly approved putting the proposition on the ballot, the officials said, and his stewardship of the proposition, and other fire-related issues, has irked many within the local firefighting community.

The result is what Bill Metcalf, fire chief for the North County Fire Protection District in Fallbrook, called a "deafening silence" from local elected officials and fire agencies on Proposition A. With three weeks to go to the election, apart from the brief statements from Sanders and Cox, there have been no public events organized to push the measure. One of the key proponents of the measure says he's met with blank stares when he mentions Proposition A to voters, and the campaign just began sending out mailers last week.


Amita Sharma did a great report on it Friday morning. It's worth a listen but there are three quotes from it worth highlighting in particular.

One was from UCSD's Steve Erie.

"I think from the beginning that this was a cover-your-posterior proposal -- i.e. that the campaign in favor of it would be pro forma at best," Erie said.

And then the one from Richard Rider, the guy who opposes all tax increases. We're not even making him work hard this time.

"The other side does not have their heart in it," Rider told Sharma.

And who's fault is this? Well, Sharma's last quote from Roberts himself tells us quite a bit. She asked him what would happen if Proposition A loses.

"I'll be hoping beyond hope that we don't see something disastrous over the next couple of years that would be the day I would wake up and feel San Diego you ought to be ashamed," Roberts said to Sharma.

Nice. So we either do what Roberts wants or we want to burn down the county.

Is this sort of shame-on-you campaign persuading the candidates running for City Council?

To continue on my effort to get them all on the record about the propositions, I asked them.

Both Marti Emerald and April Boling in District 7 are against Proposition A. Emerald said the region already gets Proposition 172 dollars and the county wastes them on the district attorney and sheriff. If they used that money better, they could form a countywide department.

Boling said she has a singular focus:

"My first priority is to pay down the debt," she said.

Todd Gloria, in District 3? He opposes Proposition A.

Stephen Whitburn, Gloria's rival, supports it.

Sherri Lightner, in District 1, opposes the parcel tax. She said the fee would hurt property owners, particularly condominium owners she was talking to.

And her opponent, Phil Thalheimer? It seems he's fully uninterested in this discussion. We'll go ahead and say he's for the tax. Maybe that will get him to call me back.

-- SCOTT LEWIS




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Prop A should really be two props: 1.Do we need a regional firefighting agency to better coordinate firefighting efforts? While one can quibble over the structure of this agency, the concept has merit, and deserves support. 2.Is a new tax the only way to fund such an agency? Nope.

Posted by Richard Rider, Chair, San Dieg | reply to this comment
October 24, 2008 8:34 pm

Prop A proponents claim that there is “no Plan B” – that raising taxes is the only option. But we've heard that song before. In 1999, county politicians put a sales tax on the ballot for libraries. They made the same claim – “there is no Plan B.” We defeating that measure. Within two days after the library tax was rejected, Supervisor Pam Slater came up with the first grant for libraries. By the end of the year, the Supervisors voted enough funding to build five new branch libraries and renovate 14 more – all without a tax increase.

Posted by Richard Rider, Chair, San Dieg | reply to this comment
October 24, 2008 8:37 pm

"Shame on Robert's Exactly" I find it deplorable that Robert's and Mayor Sanders are going to the taxpayer well again in support of Prop "A", Robert's where is all the funds from Prop 172 being spent? It certainly has not been spent to augment fire response in the County. Mayor Sanders why are you asking for another tax assessment instead of demanding the City's fair share of Prop 172 funds from the County. What have both of these leaders or supposed leaders done to increase fire response within the City or County? A couple of leased aircraft and helicopters "please" any person with any knowledge of fire tactics and strategy knows aircraft can only slow the progression of wildfire but crews on the ground put them out. Aircraft are grounded under heavy weather conditions which occurred during the Cedar Fire and Urban interface fires of 2007.

Posted by Seek The Truth | reply to this comment
October 25, 2008 12:24 am

Remind me again why I should vote for Prop A. I live in an urban core area far away from the forest edge and canyon rims where wildfires create real danger. The County of San Diego receives millions of dollars in Prop 127 dollars every year that it could use to fund a new county fire department, and instead gives it all the politically strong sherrif's department instead. This is an issue for the County, not for the cities whose taxpayers are already paying for fire protection. If the County were serious about funding a new county fire department, if could have adopted fire protection developer fees years ago, making developers who wanted to build sprawl subdivision projects in our rural areas pay for a county fire department, and include the cost of those fees in their home prices. But it didn't. So I'm voting No on Prop A.

Posted by Watcher | reply to this comment
October 27, 2008 4:05 pm

19 Comments so far on this story...

Roberts, shame on you for scamming all of San Diego through Proposition 172. I think our best option is to become a City/County. Additionally, term limits for the County Board of Supervisors is a good idea. I often wonder as a City resident, what does the County provide for me anyway? A hospital? No. Fire protection? No. Police protection? No. Trash service? No. But they sure like to brag about there budget surplus. Of course you have a surplus when you don't provide service. Two huge fires have started in the County and roll into our City and burn up our homes. After many promises from the County and the Mayor we are still not prepared. Sanders, stop worrying about your party affiliation and call the County out.

Posted by Woodrow | reply to this comment
October 24, 2008 5:39 pm

Roberts, when did you become an expert in the field of fire protection? We all know that prop. A is nothing more than 'lipstick on a pig'. If the county really wanted to protect county residents from fire they would take $50 million out of the nearly 1 billion they have stolen from the City of San Diego taxpayers that they now call their reserve fund. Scared citizens voted to approve prop. 172 after the Anaheim Hills/Malibu fire devastation 14 years ago. Those citizens voted for Prop.172 because they believed their government would appropriate the money for fire protection. Little did they know that in San Diego County, Roberts and Co. would wamboozle the money and rip off the citizens of San Diego. The City of San Diego has lost over 100 million dollars a year as a result of this high jack. We need term limits for sups. now!

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
October 24, 2008 7:24 pm

When did Ron Roberts become a fire authority? He must feel that if you rip the City of San Diego off of $100 million dollars per year of Prop. 172 money than that qualifies him. Hey Ron, that money was meant to go to fire protection, not to fatten up your reserve fund to the tune of nearly $1 billion dollars. People voted for Prop. 172 after the Anaheim Hills/Malibu fires 15 years ago. The reason that Prop. A is going down in flames is because everyone knows it's another Prop. 172. What we need to start working on is term limits for all San Diego County Supervisors. That's something that sure to pass on a ballot measure. Stop strutting like a peacock because of your Moody's rating that you got from ripping off the Citizens of San Diego. Don't go away mad, just go away!

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
October 24, 2008 7:24 pm

So he calls them out? What good does that do? Do you really think that if there was a serious run at Prop 172 the DA and the Sherriff both would not trot out your neighborhood boggy man (read child molester). The proposal would be called a "raid that will decimate the county's criminal justice system" and it would die faster than a new york minute. Sure they screwed up the prop 172 allocation way back when but it is simply poppycock (and irresponsible) to keep bringing it up when there is NO chance the formula would every be changed. Think so? Then run against Bonnie on that platform in 2010 so we can all enjoy the fun when you are called the best friend criminals ever had. And that will be the polite attack on you by the DA and the deputies.

Posted by CMR | reply to this comment
October 24, 2008 7:45 pm

Roberts is also vaguely threatening not to bring the super-scooper planes back next year if Prop A doesn't pass. It's not a credible threat. I'll bet big bucks with anyone that, even after Prop A fails (it will), we'll have super-scoopers back next fall. Any takers?

Posted by Richard Rider | reply to this comment
October 24, 2008 8:28 pm

Once again, Richard Rider gets it right. A lot of the libertarian view of things is just not practical. Government and its taxing power really is critical to not only providing needed services, but dare I say it, keeping wealth from concentrating in the hands of an elite and incompetent upper class. Its not an accident that the financial meltdowns of '29 and '08 occurred after a decade or two in which wealth accumulated in the top 1% of the population. But if concentrated wealth in a few private hands is dangerous, RIchard and the libertarians hit the target when they point out the dangers of a government with too much cash on it hands. Vietnam and Iraq occurred at times in which the government was among other things, relatively flush with cash. Give them the dollars and they will spend them. Stupidly.

Posted by jorgeelgato | reply to this comment
October 26, 2008 7:43 am

After we reject Prop A this November, I'm sure that the Supervisors will do the right thing – funding the regional firefighting agency from existing county funds. The need is clear. It's time they do the job we pay them to do – getting their priorities straight.

Posted by Richard Rider, Chair, San Dieg | reply to this comment
October 24, 2008 8:40 pm

Scott, you seem to have gotten a bit snarky in your writing the last few weeks...keep it up. I like it. Ron Roberts, as you say, is only backing this initiative to be able to claim he was doing something. He hopes it fails so he'll be able to blame us for his own incompetence. Roberts has nothing but contempt for the people of San Diego.

Posted by Fred Williams | reply to this comment
October 25, 2008 4:55 am

Prop A is a joke. If this is the best Roberts and the rest of the board can come up with they need to all be fired. None of the 172 funds were used for fire protection in this county and those monies have now added up to billions....... and 172 was passed on the backs of firefighters.

Posted by Frank O'Grady | reply to this comment
October 25, 2008 7:14 am

Vote no on Prop. A!!! The Mayor and City Council should have learned a lesson from the last time the County ripped off The Citizens of San Diego. Prop. 172, was meant to provide fire protection, not bolster the Ron Roberts slush fund. Can't we ship Ron Roberts off on another one of his Asian junkets and keep him there! Please, I'll throw in $100 to help tar and feather him after Prop A looses. People may have supported a Prop. A tax if it was voted on only within the City of San Diego and put on the ballot by the San Diego City Council. At least then, every penny collected in the city would stay in the city. If Roberts and his cronies want a County Fire dept., than they should take $50 million out of their nearly $1 billion reserve fund and pay for it!

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
October 25, 2008 2:36 pm

Right on Billy!! Just turn back the clock on how Roberts ruined the Whaley House Museum when he didn't do his homework and let SOHO and others missle him. If you are a group and will grease him your In, and favors galore!! Only In San Diego where takers win!! Chuck Henry Old Town

Posted by Chuck Henry | reply to this comment
November 6, 2008 12:55 pm

It's absolutely beyond the pale to expect 83% of the County to fund the 17% that lives in the back country. If these folks had practived fire safe defensible space, closed their eaves and removed dead and drying debris around the house, most if not all wouldn't be having the problems they had. I refuse to pay this tax. It's unfair and unecessary. Regressive and political. More reasons not to vote for it! We need changes on the county board of supes for this boneheaded prop.

Posted by Coast Watcher | reply to this comment
October 26, 2008 6:11 pm

Will Caress and Scott Lewis desribed the only important point of the discussion on wildfires. San Diego County does not have a Fire Department. It is the ONLY County in California that does not have a County fire department. Have citizens forgotten last year's fires required evacuation of 1/4 of the County's population? If the Govenor and CalFire had not ramped up State resources in advance of the fires we may had had to evacuate the County, as City Attorney Aguire warned? Senator Diane Feinstein told the County Supervisors their failure to set up a County Fire Department was risking the property and LIVES of their consitutents. All energy shd be directed to getting the County Supervisors to establish a County Fire Department.

Posted by Laurie Wright | reply to this comment
October 27, 2008 10:20 am

VOTE NO ON ALL BOND MEASURES. I have been doing it for 15 years-makes me feel good all over.

Posted by Billy Bob Henry | reply to this comment
October 27, 2008 8:59 pm

Postscript: Three weeks after the prop failed, the county did exactly what I said they would do -- funded the county regional fire fighting agency with EXISTING county funds. Turns out the tax increase was not really needed after all. Anyone surprised by this?

Posted by Richard Rider - Chairman - San | reply to this comment
October 3, 2009 11:56 pm


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