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The Stench of Renting, Cont.

Published: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:27 AM PST



So the last post, in which I pivoted off some comments by City Councilman Ben Hueso to plea with readers to stop stigmatizing renters, generated some pretty passionate responses. I'm going to deal with a few of them now.

First, reader Larry, who's never had much patience with me, directs some of his signature irritation toward Hueso.

Come on, Scott. Do you really think that Hueso has the intellectual capacity to differentiate between those who have to rent vs those who choose to rent?

Yes, Hueso is smart enough. But here's the thing: The housing market panic we're in the midst of now was caused in large part by the fact that there was little or no difference between those who have to rent and those who choose to rent. Lenders, Wall Street and politicians created a system wherein the assets and wages of potential mortgage borrowers became unimportant when deciding whether to help people buy homes.

Anybody could get a loan for a house no matter how much money they actually made. Everyone therefore had the opportunity to choose whether to buy or not. You didn't even have to prove how much money you made to buy a home.

In this new reality, the price of the home became unimportant as well. Greedy lenders hooked buyers by adjusting the payments to whatever level they needed to ensure that the borrower could make them -- at least for a while. Because of this obsession with homeownership, we pushed people to take on these loans, some of which didn't even require payment of the full interest of the loan.

Some justified this by praising this culture of ownership, like our city councilman just did, and talking about how the community benefited when more people were "owners." But really, saddling people with loans they had little chance of being able to pay back was far from a public service. It was near criminal. And the victims are being forced from their homes in droves right now.

A loan is not a loan if, at some point, the lender doesn't plan on getting paid back. And they did plan on getting paid back. It's just that all these people obsessed with promoting homeownership had no plan to give the people who were expected to pay these loans off more money.

Hence the ongoing crisis and the panic. We're supposed to be shocked that this money just isn't there.

Well, if you are, you have no business leading this country out of this mess.

Now, about homeownership. A few readers turned to the old mantra about the American dream of owning a home.

Reader Homeowner had this response:

Take a trip around District 8. Look at the areas that are primarily rented and those that are long term homeowners, particularly in the South of the District. There is no comparison of the standards of the neighborhoods. Homeowners generally take significantly more care of a neighborhood they are invested in. Encouraging home ownership for people intending to stay for long periods of time is a great strategy. The current financial meltdown has created an atmosphere of unmatched opportunity for particularly first time buyers who thought that they would never be able to get on the homeowner ladder. Scott, HYPER sensitive. [Hueso] stated a simple fact that neighborhoods with owner-occupied properties are generally better maintained, creates a higher buy in to long-term community buy in and "pride of ownership". I have never heard "pride of rentership" banded about.


I never thought of that. Apparently some neighborhoods are better off than others.

Wild.

To be sure, "pride of rentership" was exactly what I was promoting.

Of course owning a home has its benefits. And, of course, a world where everyone owned a home and took care of their neighborhoods with the pride of an owner would be a beautiful one.

My point was that only those who have the assets and means to purchase a home can benefit from owning a home. And the community will only benefit from that if these people can afford to stay in those homes.

I agree -- wholeheartedly. We must work to create this world where more and more people own and they are invested in the community. Encouraging people to buy homes they can't afford and artificially keeping home prices at unaffordable levels doesn't accomplish that. It would be better, in my mind, if we focused on priming the economy and creating jobs and raising wages to the point where more people could afford to buy a home. And, in the meantime, we let home prices settle to a realistic level.

This may not raise the percentage of homeowners as fast as some dream, but it's more sustainable.

Unfortunately, the focus over the last several years was not on building infrastructure, creating jobs, innovation or making the economy stronger. The focus was on manipulating home loans to artificially boost home ownership and trap people into unsustainable personal finance conundrums. And this was the culture of a few years ago that Hueso was talking about so nostalgically.

We shouldn't be nostalgic about it. We should find it repugnant and never let it happen again.

Finally, many readers ripped me personally.

Yes, it's true. I'm a renter.

Reader Basic Civics challenges my "absolute" declaration that renting right now is more economical than buying.

It is hard for me to buy that Hueso genuinely views renters as inferior constituents and I wonder if you, a renter, are just being a bit sensitive about the matter. However thought I would illustrate something about your use of absolutes. Renting is a rational choice for many but so is owning... Take for example the following... a house (same floor plan as mine) on my street recently rented for 2400.00 a month or 28,800/yr. The annual nut on my house 8 doors down is 38,400 (including p tax). The tax benefit on my house (yes I am in a high bracket) is approximately 10,400. So effectively my cost of ownership is 28,000/yr or 8 hundred less than I would pay for renting the same house (which actually has nicer landscaping). I bought at the highpoint (in 2005) with a conservative loan (fixed rate).

I'm the one being sensitive? Look, Basic Civics is not who I am talking about. This person is in a very high tax bracket. Basic Civics could afford a traditional fixed-rate loan to enable the purchase of what sounds like a single-family home -- all this, apparently, at the height of the housing market no less.

This is not the type of person I'm talking about. If these homeowners can afford to stay in the home for 10 years or longer, they almost certainly will be OK. Unless we have a Japanese-style mega housing depression. I agree. They may in fact be better off in the ultra-long term than had they avoided buying a home.

Basic Civics employs the common response to my argument about the disparity of rental rates to home prices. It goes like this: Though rents are demonstrably cheaper now than monthly mortgage payments, the federal income tax break one realizes from paying mortgage interest more than bridges the gap.

In response, I would still argue that the money renters save monthly can be invested in safe interest-bearing accounts and that, over time, have the possibility of turning out much better than the declining value of the asset Basic Civics owns. But, that's just a different calculation based on a different view of the future. It assumes a further deterioration of the housing market where homes like Civics' continue to lose value.

We'll know in the future who was correct.

I was worried about those who aren't as well off as Basic Civics. I'm talking about the people who still can't afford to take on a fixed-rate traditional loan for a home right now. The last thing we need to do is try to somehow bring back the excesses of the past few years where we lured them into homeownership with the incentive of low rates and low initial payments.

And this, I'm afraid, is exactly what politicians like Hueso seem to be longing to do.

-- SCOTT LEWIS




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I appreciate your clarification but, am dissappointed in the extent you now appear to be engaging in class warfare. Your first article took a quote from Hueso about homeownership "increasing" civic mindedness and extended the logic to imply that that he said renting and civic mindedness were mutually exclusive. From the paraphrase in Kelle's piece, that isn't what he said. You then stated "There's no reason right now to take on a mortgage." My post was illustrating that your follow on statement was incorrect and an absolute judgement on the benefit of home ownership today. I presume that your readership includes married couples who have an agi of over 150k/yr. While I am well off I am by no means rich, my comment about tax bracket was to illustrate indirectly that the size of the tax benefit effect is largely predicated on income. It doesn't make me an elitest.

Posted by Basic Civics | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 10:35 am

I've been surprised in both articles and the comments at the still-underlying assumption that everyone ultimately *wants* to own or *should* own, all of it seemingly predicated on the assumption that renters aren't good community members. Has anyone done a study to see how many renters are volunteers in their community? Or neighborhood advocates? I bet there are more than most people think. And, if we're talking about the *look* of areas with large numbers of rentals, the problem here is not the tenants, but the landlords, who fail to take care of their property. A tenant should not, and often cannot, paint a building, install landscaping, or re-roof a house. This is the landlord's responsiblity, not the tenant's--and lo and behold, these landlords are *owners*, the sort of people implicity celebrated in these pieces. Don't point the finger at renters as suspect citizens, when owners bear responsiblity, too.

Posted by Thom | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 1:03 pm

Reader Homeowner makes a silly argument: He assumes the only difference between the "nice" parts of District 8 and the "bad" parts are that in the former people own, and in the latter people rent. There are, of course, other differences, which affect BOTH the level of "niceness" and whether people own. One of them being socio-economic status, the point that Scott makes. Buying a home doesn't suddenly transform you from a poor person to a rich person, and it certainly won't transform District 8.

Posted by Vlad | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 2:58 pm

"And the community will only benefit from that if these people can afford to stay in those homes." This last sentence sums up one of the great inadequacies of Hueso's argument that ownership breeds civic engagement and pride. Having "homeowners" flipping houses every other year doesn't do much to build the community. And many of the boom-year buyers were flippers. The ownership society lacked stability. I lived in eastern Chula Vista during the boom, and, although the city and developers built a beautiful community, it was certainly not a center of great civic pride. Just a constant churn of buyers and sellers. Now, you can buy a large single family house there in the mid-300s. But that doesn't mean it would be a great place to live. I now live in a rental in OB, which is 80 percent renters, and the civic engagement and community spirit are second to none.

Posted by Catherine | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 3:43 pm

There should be no stigma in renting. Especially when it makes economic sense to rent, rather than pay interest on an over-priced home. An innovate piece of legislation is in the mix- it is called Saving Family Homes Act, and allows homeowners the option to remain as renters in their own homes for up to 20 years following a foreclosure. This is truly neighborhood stabilization, in that people should be able to stay in their communities of choice - either as renters or an owners. If you like the home, the neighborhood, the local shops, or the public school, renting is a smart choice.

Posted by Murtaza Baxamusa | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 4:28 pm

Here's another idea: Perhaps the reason some neighborhoods with high numbers of renters are blighted is because the property owners are basically slumlords? Sorry, I think "absentee landlord" is the polite term for this condition, which afflicts many neighborhoods in San Diego County. Renters don't take care of the yard? Please. Landlords don't take care of the yard. What's that meme about how property ownership instills such pride? Many neighborhoods in San Diego County that have high percentages of renters are blighted because City Councils are so afraid of appearing unfriendly to business that they approve every business permit that comes through regardless of how it might impact the community. Having a liquor store on every corner is generally not good for the neighborhood. But it's much easier to blame the community's problems on a lack of homeownership.

Posted by Catherine Hockmuth | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 9:28 pm

The quality of a neighborhood of renters depends on the landlords and a city's attitude toward renting. We have rented in low or moderately-priced neighborhoods in New York, San Francisco and San Diego. We also owned a home in another city for 35 years. In New York and San Francisco, nearly everyone rented. The landlords maintained the properties, and most residents cooperated keeping places up. Renting wasn't just for singles, and many apartments had families. In San Diego, we rent in Hillcrest. Condos and rentals sit side by side,and the population is full of transient singles. Landlords do the basics but not much else. Seeing the deterioration of converted old houses is particularly hard. For all its vaunted civic spirit, San Diego does not have the "pride of place" for renting, or I'm beginning to believe, ownership.

Posted by Cathy Robbins | reply to this comment
November 21, 2008 9:38 am

I believe many people do want to own a home and it would be better for the community if they did not own. To do this why not assist many people to get started in buying a home. In the case of welfare recipients why not use the section 8 money to pay a mortgage off rather than giving the money to some landloard. If we really want to have cheaper housing for the poor why not limit the number of residences any one person can own. ( like no more than three for any one individual). As it is now many tax dollars go to paying rent payments to people who own rentals. Let them invest their money in the stock market and allow one of the necessities of life like a home to live in no longer be such a profitable business.

Posted by Dennis Gergen | reply to this comment
November 21, 2008 10:12 am

31 Comments so far on this story...

The only way that your homeownership makes sense financially is with a government subsidy of $10,000 per year. Renting would be attractive if the government provided a similar subisdy. BTW, the annual federal tax subsidy for homeowners is 5 times the amount spent on direct subsidy programs for low wage families and over 60% of the benefit goes to those earning > $100,000.

Posted by Tom Scott | reply to this comment
November 21, 2008 1:22 pm

I understand the negatives and positives to both home ownership and renting, particularly at this time of economic crisis. However, another negative to renting vs. home ownership is that it increases socio-economic stratification. By definition, renting involves a "landlord class," who wield power over the property, and a "renter class," who live to some extent under the control of the landlord (rental rates, property maintenance, etc.) Obviously, the fewer homeowners there are, the more renters there will be, and the richer a few "land barons" will become -- striking another blow to the American middle class.

Posted by donnajean | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 10:57 am

With all of the critical challenges and issues facing our city right now, I cannot believe you're even having this discussion. I've heard of slow news days, Scott, but please, there are many, many other more important topics to focus on. And for Hueso to even be wasting any of his time on this, I think, says a lot about him, and I don't mean that in a positive way. Ben, you have 43 million other things to tend to right now! Get real.

Posted by Robert E. Lee | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 11:26 am

I would argue that there are few things more important than to grapple with the reality of our local economic situation and the policy makers' many, many efforts to address it.

Posted by Scott Lewis | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 12:20 pm

Okay, I'll bite, Scott. Where does Hueso's manufactured battle over homeowners versus renters, or renters versus landlords, rank among the urgent issues that face the City today? Is it a Top 5 issue? Top 10? Top 100? Is this ludicrous debate worth so much of Hueso's time, when we should be discussing or debating a $43 million deficit, which gets worse each WEEK with inaction from Hueso and the Council? $35 million next year? The highly unpopular prospect of closing libraries and recreation centers, and rotating shutdowns of Fire engine companies? Employee layoffs? The neverending scandals at SEDC and CCDC? Possible mandatory water conservation in a time of drought? A sour economy, which has wiped out a huge part of the employee pension fund? There is a time and a place for jousting about the (de)merits of homeownership and renting. Now is not that time.

Posted by Robert E. Lee | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 3:44 pm

Todays economic crisis is a direct result of the housing market. As for Ben and Scott focusing on this topic leads me to believe they are thinking "outside of the box" and looking at the City as a whole; Something the City Council Members should be doing. If they did, maybe they would focus on Saving the City some money instead of spending like drunken sailors. San Diego is in deep trouble. When an economic crisis takes hold such as this one has, the next major event will be the increase of criminal activity. Libraries, swimmmig pools and any other non-essential projects need to be shut down or placed on hold until this City gets back on financial track.

Posted by Ron Weiss | reply to this comment
November 21, 2008 7:32 am

It's interesting how very little your rant has to do with Councilmember Hueso. He did not force lenders to irresponsibly lend, nor renters to take on mortgages they could not afford. Promoting the benefits of homeownership did not create the housing bubble or the mortgage meltdown. Those situations were caused by a lack of good sense by many buyers, as well as greed and the exploitation of those wishing to have something beyond their reach. Your concerns are valid, but they are misdirected here. Save your invective for the times our leaders really do/say something questionable.

Posted by HP | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 11:46 am

Sooo many people writing so many posts, and saying nothing. Thom has hit the nail on the head. The issue that Hueso was trying to get to has nothing to do with homeowners or renters -- it has to do with landlords. Greedy slumlords who squeeze every last dime out of a property they probably never visit. Low income renters are usually the victims, not the perpetrators, of neighborhood blight. So-called pride of ownership is really pride of residence, as many renters take it upon themselves to paint out tags, pick up condoms/needles/tras and participate in community meetings and organizations. So then...whose job is it to enforce the munipal codes that govern grafitti, litter, building integrity, etc.? To prosecute absentee landlords who violate health and safety codes? To promote real neighborhood revitlization through wise CDBG and redevelopment activities? Paging Ben Hueso...

Posted by Ted Blake | reply to this comment
November 21, 2008 8:48 am

I rent because I choose to rent. Why? My landlord paid $100,000 for his house 15 years ago so his property tax and mortgage are next to nothing. I piggy-back off of his tax advantage. Why would I buy a house for $700k and pay about $8k a year to subsidize my neighbor paying almost nothing? No deal.

Posted by LL | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 1:34 pm

So the government would buy the loan? Wheres the moral hazzard in that?

Posted by Basic Civics | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 7:30 pm

There was an interesting testimony by developers at the Reinvestment Taskforce yesterday. They were complaining about banks that had stopped lending to home-builders that had defaulted on their loans. They said it was not their fault that they defaulted, it was the fault of the economy. They wanted the TARP to start flowing money to developers (who defaulted). So is it OK for banks, security traders, developers, credit card companies, and every one else besides Joe Schmo to get a bailout by blaming the economy? When it comes down to our everyday residents defaulting on their mortgage, it is "individual responsibility"? FYI, the Saving Family Homes Act will not cost a dime to taxpayers - it only requires mortgage holders to refrain from kicking out people when they default, by working out a rent-to-own payment plan.

Posted by Murtaza Baxamusa | reply to this comment
November 21, 2008 9:30 am

Because it is germane to the discussion (in spite of how out of context I think hueso's remarks are being taken)... But... Drum Roll.... I believe Councilmember Toni Atkins is a renter. Wonder if that makes her unfit to serve.

Posted by Basic Civics | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 5:08 pm

I am a proud renter. I am extremely proud knowing that I made a very smart decision to NOT BUY when I have been financially capable over the past 6+ years. I saw what was coming and I shared my views with many. ....I am usually much more tame in my comments I have, if any, but I feel buyers must have been halucinating, been deliusional, stupid, or just ignorant that prices would remain in the stratosphere. When the owner of KB Homebuilders says the median home price will soon someday be $1 million... that should have been a clue to sell! ...With that said, as for poster 'Homeowner' I wonder how long her owner neighbors have been in their homes? I'd speculate that recent buyers have limited financial capacity to care for their yards.

Posted by Brandon, the proud renter | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 6:52 pm

If only there were social scientists who could use aggregate data to compare neighborhood rental rates and normalize for variables like income... we wouldn't need to have all this chest thumping.

Posted by Augmented Ballot | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 8:42 pm

Maybe this point is secondary, but I think it's important. The thing about the mortgage interest tax deduction, whatever one thinks of it, is that in the question of renting or not, you have to include it in your math. If you don't, you've got bad math. Likewise the available interest rate. An outrageous mistake at 7% could be a fantastic bargain at 5%. That context is critical. // That doesn't change the fact that banks should only lend money to people who can reasonably be expected to pay it back. That point is noncontroversial and not in dispute. And saying warm-fuzzy things about homeownership doesn't place leverage of any kind on bankers to throw their money away. (Tax policies, on the other hand...)

Posted by Augmented Ballot | reply to this comment
November 20, 2008 8:42 pm

Living outside your means is always bad. The speculation that occurred up until 2005 drove home prices into the stratosphere. Some people made a lot of money; some people still have equity in their homes. Some, like me, have none, but I'm paying my mortgage and not walking away because that is the right thing to do. I wish I waited though because now is a good time to try to get into the market - prices are low and rates are at all time lows. You'd be silly not to get in now. But let's not judge renter vs. homeowner. It is what it is and people deserve to see their homes increase in value - they are an investment, a home, and are a source of pride for many. A wise many once told me that you'll never lose value in your house if it is your home.

Posted by CLB | reply to this comment
November 21, 2008 7:35 am

Get real! Renters trash neighborhoods and landlords don't care - period. Thats nothing new. Rental properties are a blight on an owner-occupied neighborhood as much as a liquor store. The stigma of renters is well-deserved. It's not the landlord's responsibility for you to put your trash in the trash can instead of on the front lawn.

Posted by Sassy | reply to this comment
November 21, 2008 8:43 am

Oh please! There may be a subset of renters who don't care about where they live, just like a subset of owners who don't give a damn about keeping up their property, but to say that "renters trash neighborhoods" is just not true. Renters don't want to live in bad conditions any more than anyone else. I don't "trash" my neighborhood, and no other renter I know does, either. I'll refer to my previous comment, which focused on landlords who don't maintain their property--we need enforcement of laws meant to protect *both* parties in the landlord/tenant relationship, not a system biased toward the landowner. Fair and equitable laws and enforcement is what's going to improve living conditions for all San Diego residents, not an unreasonable ambition for home ownership at all costs.

Posted by Thom | reply to this comment
November 21, 2008 5:19 pm

Renters are bad! Landlords are bad! Owners are good! "One size fits all" doesn't reflect reality. As a renter, I took good care of everything. As a landlord, I took good care of my properties because they were an investment. Most of my renters were good and some very excellent. A few were irresponsible and nothing but trouble. And I have some neighbors (owners!) in my expensive neighborhood who are irresponsible (loud, late parties, underage drinking, drug dealing, for example). Why on earth would we limit the number of properties a person can own? (Taxes on investment properties: The annual amount that can be written off annually is limited, plus when sold recaptured depreciation applies.)

Posted by janet | reply to this comment
November 21, 2008 6:16 pm

Renters are bad! Landlords are bad! Owners are good! "One size fits all" doesn't reflect reality. As a renter, I took good care of everything. As a landlord, I took good care of my properties because they were an investment. Most of my renters were good and some very excellent. A few were irresponsible and nothing but trouble. And I have some neighbors (owners!) in my expensive neighborhood who are irresponsible (loud, late parties, underage drinking, drug dealing, for example). Why on earth would we limit the number of properties a person can own? (Taxes on investment properties: The annual amount that can be written off annually is limited, plus when sold recaptured depreciation applies.)

Posted by janet | reply to this comment
November 21, 2008 6:16 pm

San Diego is unique in one respect that high costs force all kinds of people to rent. Thus there is a plethra of families that take pride in their homes regardless if they own or rent. In times past, (and still today)I would say renters, the majority of them anyway were those that had bad credit, jobless or both. Landlords would not upgrade in fear of theft or destruction. Those families (a high percentage anyway) that rented because of their credit or employment issues also had poor family values thus trashing the homes. Neighborhoods suffered. As a previous landlord, I would have to review hundreds of applications to finally take the best of the worst and hope they would not cause more damage/repairs than their deposit. I have had very good tennants too! But I also had to replace stolen stoves and permanent light fixtures

Posted by Ron WEiss | reply to this comment
November 25, 2008 9:17 pm

Buy ?! No Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Would be upside down in 6 more months. Go to Patrick.net and after reading the articles, be sure to go to Discussion link. That's where the renters, who are mighty glad they are renters, are.

Posted by Lee | reply to this comment
December 22, 2008 7:32 am

Buy ?! No Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Would be upside down in 6 more months. Go to Patrick.net and after reading the articles, be sure to go to Discussion link. That's where the renters, who are mighty glad they are renters, are.

Posted by Lee | reply to this comment
December 22, 2008 7:32 am


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