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Wild ERP -- Indeed Overbudget

Published: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 6:19 PM PST



Remember when we had to argue about whether the massive software overhaul at City Hall -- Wild ERP -- would go overbudget or not?

No need to argue anymore.

The Mayor's Office has made it official. The project, whose go-live date has been delayed by more than a year, will need $10.5 million more at a time when the city can hardly afford a couple of hundred thousand dollars to pick up trash along our scenic beaches.

That's the bad news. The good news? The Mayor's Office made representatives from SAP available for a briefing. SAP is the company now in charge of implementing its own software and it's pretty clear the company does not want to let this thing spiral out of control. It wants municipalities all around the country to implement its software. If this one fails, well, let's just say the company's reputation is on the line.

And a project that was once treated like a side hassle for city management is now front and center. SAP appears to have shown Chief Operating Officer Jay Goldstone and his deputies exactly the type of structure they need to make sure decisions on this project are made and made well.

All of this is good. Except, of course, the $10.5 million extra it's going to cost us.

The mayor and his staff have decided that we should borrow most of that money.

In order to pay off those loans over seven years, it will cost us about $630,000 a year from the city's general fund and $530,000 a year from other funds.

The mayor would like us to feel reasonably confident that is as painful as it will get.

I asked the assembled officials and businessmen why residents should feel better about the project now. Goldstone, the man in charge of all the city's operations, said the city had put in place the right leadership, the right focus, the right expectations and the right team in place to get it done.

And most importantly, he said, none of the project's managers are treating it like a side project. There are people in charge who have nothing more important to do than make sure it gets done.

This is a big deal. Even when Greg Levin, the city's comptroller, was in charge of the project, he was also tasked with pushing through the back log of the city's comprehensive annual financial report. This has been the case with all the managers of the effort.

When you do that, when you put someone in charge of a project but then you give them arguably more important assignments, you can't be upset if the make it less of a priority -- if important decisions are delayed or avoided and things fall behind.

This is what they appear to have identified. I asked if it was also beneficial now to have people with technical backgrounds in charge. Debra Bond and Nader Tirandazi are overseeing Wild ERP's implementation and both have experience working on technical issues.

"It doesn't matter if it's an IT person or not working on it," Goldstone said. "It's having the people with the right skill set and being able to have them devoted to the project."

The officials said they expect the city's finances to all be working with the ERP system by July and most other systems will fall into place shortly after that.

Will this thing work out under the current leadership without going over budget or past deadlines again? I'm not sure. But you can tell the city is now serious about it. You can tell SAP is serious about it. It's a top priority they don't appear willing to let fail.

That's certainly a step in the right direction.

-- SCOTT LEWIS




11 Comments so far on this story...

Goldstone has lost touch with reality. The reason this project is in the shape it is is because of the exact guidelines he is proclaiming. SAP will own us lock stock and barrel. To say that the Person in charge does not need to be an IT person is another example of the lack of understanding. If you do not understand software process and volcabulary you will be lost. I am afraid this Mayor and Staff let Kroll steal from the City now they are going to Let SAP do the same. Shame on the Mayor and Goldstone. To borrow the money just increases the costs and is wrong. Phase approach within your budget would be the more effective way to go.

Posted by Richard Tanner | reply to this comment
February 3, 2009 10:17 pm

Mr. Tanner is correct, SAP will own us. I have been down the SAP highway with a major aerospace company. The initial conversion was wildly expensive and totally invasive to the organization. It required a massive amount of manhours to train the entire company. That is a hidden cost that is never priced as part of the purchase. And that is just the beginning of the bleeding. SAP is alot like Microsoft; once they get their hooks in you (and they've captured most of the Fortune 500) they never let go. Get ready for periodic updates and upgrade that cost lots of money. Of course, you can't refuse or your system is not maintainable. They will sign us up for their Enterprise Services Architecture Roadmap and the bills will never quit coming.

Posted by Had-enuf | reply to this comment
February 15, 2009 8:44 pm

It would be of great interest to see the original project requirements specifications, project plan, milestones, and work breakdown with cost and schedule estimates. Are these documents available to the public? They should be...

Posted by Fred Williams | reply to this comment
February 4, 2009 5:42 am

I would love to be in a business that is my retirement project. Since when do you get a contract and not have a cap or exit plan. Oh wait a minute, it's the government.

Posted by Chili Willy | reply to this comment
February 4, 2009 10:35 am

More consultants! Yeah-hoo! The Grant Thornton era was good, but it wasn't living up to the standard of the Kroll era or the V&E era. I am very excited about the SAP era. Who needs city workers or libraries when we can continue to be entertained by big government contract boondoggles like the ones Sanders has been condoning since he took office.

Posted by Jefferson | reply to this comment
February 4, 2009 12:00 pm

I hope it works. The record of governments (municipal, state, and federal ( when it comes to information technology) is not good...in fact it is terrible. The problem usually originates in discussions between gov't officials who are ignorant of computer technology and high level marketeers from large corporations. The latter usually convince the former that the government is working in the dark ages, and that "we" can bring you into the 21st century and solve all your information problems along the way. I've seen very expensive failures occur over and over and over again...and those responsible always seem to escape responsibility. Note to San Diego--data processing operations should have been contracted out on 5 year terms long, long ago...and still should. But some people never learn, and most of them are located in City Hall.

Posted by josil | reply to this comment
February 4, 2009 3:04 pm

The County implemented ERP 10 years ago. What did it cost, did it go overbudget and what does a cost-benefit analysis show a decade later?

Posted by Kathleen MacLeod | reply to this comment
February 4, 2009 5:45 pm

My understanding is that the City currently uses many different brands of software that are not interconnected in any way. This is a terribly inefficient and frustrating to most system users, whether in the corporate world or government. The added cost is regrettable, especially today, but the end results should be worth every penny, and more. This is more an investment than an expense, and a long overdue one. SAP has been around for decades, used in similar fashion in many, many corporations around the world. It's a good thing that they are now in charge. The extra costs are not that surprising: the longer one uses outdated and separate software programs, the tougher it is to bring in a new, enterprise-type umbrella program. There are many reasonable projects and issues in our City government to complain about, this is not one of them.

Posted by Doug Wescott | reply to this comment
February 4, 2009 6:17 pm

My understanding is that the City currently uses many different brands of software that are not interconnected in any way. This is a terribly inefficient and frustrating to most system users, whether in the corporate world or government. The added cost is regrettable, especially today, but the end results should be worth every penny, and more. This is more an investment than an expense, and a long overdue one. SAP has been around for decades, used in similar fashion in many, many corporations around the world. It's a good thing that they are now in charge. The extra costs are not that surprising: the longer one uses outdated and separate software programs, the tougher it is to bring in a new, enterprise-type umbrella program. There are many reasonable projects and issues in our City government to complain about, this is not one of them.

Posted by Doug Wescott | reply to this comment
February 4, 2009 6:17 pm

It is true that "the City currently uses many different brands of software that are not interconnected in any way. This is a terribly inefficient and frustrating to most system users, whether in the corporate world or government." However, San Diego's IT operation has been under the control of the Data Processing Corp. for many, many years. They are responsible for the lack of standardization, interoperability and obsolescence in computer technology. My objection to the ERP is not the cost and not the need; it is the City's innocence regarding IT and it's continuing decision to place its fate in the hands of the DPC.

Posted by josil | reply to this comment
February 6, 2009 1:59 pm

For those interested in how things go with ERP and SAP, you might be interested in this: link

Posted by josil | reply to this comment
February 5, 2009 11:47 am


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