With the median San Diego home price recently having exceeded its prior bubble peak, there is some concern that the housing market may be entering bubble territory again. But while San Diego’s housing market is certainly hot, and its home prices a good deal more expensive than usual, it’s hard to make the case that this is a genuine bubble.
A bubble is more than just a market that’s become pricey. Investment bubbles are characterized by extremes in two areas:
• Valuation: Prices become exceptionally high compared with the economic factors that have typically driven pricing in the past. Often, prices and valuations will experience very rapid increases.
• Psychology: Investors are optimistic to the point of euphoria. They are dismissive of risks (and skeptics who raise them), and seem to fear only missing out on further gains.
San Diego housing in the mid-2000s was an absolutely classic bubble. From 2001 through 2005, local home prices increased 63 percent faster than incomes and rents. At their peak, home valuations reached 73 percent above the historic norm; the highest it had gone previously was 12 percent above normal, and that had led to a six-year downturn. By mid-bubble, prices — already totally unhinged from their fundamentals — were growing at a blistering pace, as much as 33 percent in a single year.
As for the sentiment … I was a housing skeptic on these pages, so I could go on at length. Suffice it to say that one reader informed me that by not buying a house, I was dooming myself and all my descendants to be part of a new permanent underclass of non-homeowners. That was one of the nicer comments.
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Dave mentioned an interesting aspect, interest rates. If I remember my economics class at SDSU I remember the Professor going on about how in theory low interest rates stimulate real estate investment because real estate is very dependent on the price of money. Likewise rising/high interest rates can put the breaks on real estate. Long term high interest rates can force enormous amounts of money out of real estate investment into stock market.
Keeping this in mind, we have had an unprecedented period of low interest rates. And if memory serves me correctly, I remember when 911 happened it further stimulated the exodus of money from Wallstreet toward real estate because the conventional wisdom at that time was that investing in your home and real estate was a safe place to put your money during unstable times. We are talking trillions of dollars here.
So interest rates are once again starting to climb up and the current wisdom is that they will continue to climb. The reasons why are many and beyond this discussion. But lets assume that this is correct, interest rates will continue to climb.
My question is what the long term (3 to 5 years or more) impact on San Diego real estate will be? I would even suggest that the rise in interest rates are already affecting the market(in a good way). That is to say that they might be contributing to some degree to the "we are not in a bubble" conclusion(which I personally believe is correct).
Anyway, I'm just throwing some food for thought out... What do you folks think?
How about Schiller housing prices adjusted for inflation the past 100 years. The index was between 80 to 120 the whole time except since the year 2000. The index got too 200 and then dropped to 120. 40 percent drop. How much did home prices goes down in 2008 to 2012. Forty percent. Current index is 160. If the index just get back to 120. We are do for another huge drop or no gain for many years. Just thinking if there is a financial collapse because of Chinese debt or collapse in the euro. Could we go back to the numbers on the index between 1930 to 1950. Be careful. One of these days the debt to GDP will be reduced.
The biggest difference between current conditions and those in the "bubble era" is that lenders have justifiably gotten more conservative. Without subprime loans and liberal mortgage underwriting, prospective home buyers are generally forced to live (i.e. buy a home) within their means.
Thanks for the analysis, Rich. Intuitively, low interest rates are a large factor here, and I wonder what a price index that takes financing costs into account might show. Have you looked at the Realtors' Affordability Index? Or, is there a way to make an adjustment to the Case-Shiller Index to show financing costs (i.e. define average interest rates over the period, make some upward/downward adjustment to the CSI if rates are above/below the average based on a formula that represents the additional buying power)? Maybe something like: delta between historical average loan constant and loan constant for the period (in percentage) x 80% (assuming 80% loan to value)?
@Dave Gatzke Hi Dave - I wrote about that here: http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/news/monthly-home-payments-lower-than-average-doesnt-assure-higher-prices/
@Rich Toscano excellent. THANKS!